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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9955)	12/14/1997 8:12:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile, This is from Nancy, Alans wife. God did not record the date of our Lords birth. So can you please inform me as to when December 25 was determined to be his birthday? Hopefully the people on this thread understand that Talmudic Judaism is a small part of Judaism. Alans statement that he is a Jew is like you saying you are a German or whatever.But your last post even makes me hesitate to say I am a Christian and be associated with the way you believe.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9955)	12/14/1997 9:07:00 PM
From: Barnabus	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

It's time to say it: Emile you are a jerk! Calling a fellow-believer a liar. What gall. Over and over and over again. You and your cohort Robert are playing the same tune for the umteenth time. Give Robert and Nancy their due. They are sensational believers. In the past, you have called Shaloam a liar, me a liar, Garret a liar, plus untold others. At least we are in good company. Why don't you answer Jane's questions about the "Talmudic Judaism" instead of just spouting and spouting and spouting the term. Alas, Emile plays the jerk He is on this Talmudic quirk "If you don't agree With me" ('sez he) I'll parlay my words with a dirk Why don't you renounce the Nazis, Hitler, Arayanism, as well as you renounce so-called Talmudic Judaism and Zionism? Could there be a reason why you don't? The obvious is that there is honest dialogue, prayer for one another, a sense of sharing and caring---then when you and Robert get on your pet-peeve, narrow, and bigoted doctrine, the thread goes haywire again and again and again. I haven't posted to you for some time and unless God says otherwise or intervenes in some way, this will be my last post to you. It's a good thing God loves jerks, or you and I would be in even deeper trouble. Jack

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9955)	12/14/1997 9:22:00 PM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

Dear Emile, I find this is almost impossible to respond to and I cannot believe I'm still in this horrible debate which rages not unlike the madness of the medievil times. This is beginning to remind me of 12th century France somehow. If I am one of the simple Christians you refer to, please understand that I now have 25 years as a simple Christian behind me, and that is enough to make me a real grown up Christian. Not a simple one, and believe it, Emile, not simple minded. Nope, you got the wrong sister if that is where I fall in your eyes, as a "simple Christian". I have a big fat Strong's concordance here and have been using it for years. For years I have been busting people for quoting scripture to me and misquoting it, and rarely am I wrong. I know many men of God with going ministries who respect me in the Lord, and go out of their way to show it. No one on this thread could influence my thinking in the slightest. I just have argued and digested and read over and over and taken those scriptures to the Strong's to be sure of my understandiing of them, up to and including all day today, another day away from work dissolved in nothing more than this thread and the battles thereon, and I usually love the time spent here, and I will tell you and Robert this as a fact: I disagree with both of you. I simply disagree and do not see the Lord trying to correct my thinking through you. If anything, I am convinced the Lord is trying to correct your thinking through me ON THIS MATTER. I personally feel I hear KKK and Nazi philosophies in your comments, but because I do love you in the Lord, as I do love all believers who profess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, I have been struggling at great personal stress not to judge that you have been members of some aryan church. Again, if you have, and have committed no crime, that's your business. It's not mine to judge. God has ordained free will, I'm not going to superimpose myself on the world as the Thought Cop. I leave that to the Communists and the Nazis I despise with every molecule in my body. One horrifying group of thought controllers and which was and is more hateful? I think it is a perfect toss up, and both perfectly reflect the mind of satan. So, no, I do not police minds, unless they are criminal and then I just call the police. But my mind is made up by me on all matters, using what I know to be true to weight what I know to be false, and that is all.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (9955)	12/14/1997 11:43:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile; First of all we are all liar's it seems that you are perfect. Expressing ones faith is not being a liar. I am Jewish and I believe in Jesus (Yeshua) I study and read the Old and New Testament you seem to have a problem with that? I do not even know what Talmudic Judaism is and you wish to continue to shove it in my face. First of all let's get this straight I am Jewish and celebrate my holidays as depicted in the Old and New Testament I believe that Jesus (Yeshua) died for my sins I am not a Christian for they are many forms of Christianity you are just expressing one type that seems to fall into the category of what hate groups believe in. You stated I called you and Robert Nazi and KKK I never did any such thing look at my posts and they stated that fact; MY POSTS; Message 2898011 Are you suggesting that Jews who have not accepted Jesus to be some type of Antichrist if so that is what Nazi's and Hitler believed. Message 2898833 Have not Christians persecuted and killed Jews for centuries? Has not the cross been a symbol of death to the Jews? Has not the church issued discriminatory laws against the Jews? Has not the name of Jesus been used to scorch Jewish homes and bodies? Has not baptism been used in forced conversions to Christianity and as an excuse to separate Jewish children from their families? All of this is true and so is allot more. It may be questioned whether those who perpetrated these atrocities were really Christians, but they certainly called themselves that. Message 2900440 Please I feel it is lame to make excuses or side step the true meaning when using the terminology Antichrist. I am hitting you hard on this subject for the mere fact that with your words you have been fueling hate groups all over this world and supporting there cause Message 2902586 First of all I never asked for a apology. I am conveying that the use of your words hurts me being a Jew and I hold dear the relatives I lost in the Holocaust who died under the same theology you preach. Also you keep bringing up Talmudic Judaism I told you and Robert I do not no anything about Talmudic Judaism I just study the Old and New Testament DO YOU WISH FOR ME TO STOP READING THE BIBLE? Below is a post I made about Talmudic Judaism do I need to repeat it 1000 times. Message 2910259 First of all I do not even know what Talmudic Judaism is I never was brought up learning this type of Judaism. All of you like to keep picking this up and repeat it over and over again. How many forms are there on Christianity? Below is another post I made which never stated that you or Robert were Nazi's or KKK I asked is this what you proclaim YOU NEVER ANSWERED ME WHY? Message 2946427 Emile is this what you proclaim? The reality is that you would want nothing more than to force the Jewish people out of Israel and put up your Christian flag. Well the only way I see that happening is if you send your so called Christian (false) armys in and wipe out all the Jews as Hitler tried to do in the late 30's. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Below are parts of some of your post's if people can't see HATE in what you preach I am lost for word's. Message 2865682 Use the modern antichrist state of Israel as an example. It is the most hateful and antichristian and antihuman state of the face of the earth. The persecute all those that reject the antchirst Babylonian Talmud. They even kill their own leaders when they voice objection ot the Talmud. Your contention are profoundly wrong and are based on mythology and on the same jewish fables that have been floating around for the last 2000 years. This really hurt me. You just under minded and made Jesus look like a wimp. How dare that you suggest that the Jews were responsible for Jesus death as powerful as Jesus was THE ALL MIGHTY GOD you dare to suggest he was unable to protect himself from the sacrifice he made for all of us. How in the world can you suggest that the Jews were responsible for his death, you are talking about GOD ALMIGHTY if he wished not to give his life he wouldn't have PERIOD. (Below is your post and it makes me sick) Message 2869309 The Scriptures and the Apostles themselves tell us in numerous places that the antichirst Jews and their leaders were responsible for the Crucifixion of Christ. The antichrist Jews had the difficult responsbility of standing in the place of all of mankind and with all of mankinds sins, and crying, CRUCIFY HIM, CRUCIFY HIM. It is the fundamental cry of every sinner in rebellion against God. Message 2869440 The only people who are brothers are those born again by the Spirit of God and filled with the Holy Spirit. Where do you get this false, and worldly, and diabolical idea of calling someone your Christian brother who does not believe in Christ. The Jews who reject Christ are antichrist according to the Holy Spirit. The antichrist Zionist nation of Israel is a diabolical kingdom set up to challenge the Kingdom of God established by Christ--the Christian Church, the Body of Christ. Antichrist Zionism is attempting to restore and reestablish the dead old covenant. siliconinvestor.com that very point onwards, the old covenant Hebrew religion was abolished and could no longer provide salvation or a door to God. The Kingdom of God had been established. Jesus Christ had become the only door into the Kingdom of God--He had become the only door of salvation. The Hebrew or Jewish religion of the old covenant was finished. Below more of what hate groups belive (taking control of TV Ect...) Modern Talmudic Judaism has been the most satanic force on the face of the earth for the last 2000 years. There are many other antichrist forces today, but Talmudic Judaism is clearly the leader and the most powerful. Zionisms control of the American TV networks, Hollywood and the major newspapers such as the NY Times, WSJ, Barrons, Washington Post etc. gives a glimpse of their power in spreading their false antichrist fables. It is true that there are many Jews that are ignorant of the teachings of the Babylonian Talmud, but the leaders of Judaism and the leaders of the Rabbinical schools teach the Babylonian Talmud as their core curriculum. It builds pride of race and pride in a satanic religion. Below you say I am proud of my heritage? Should I not be? Message 2896777 All the promises of Abraham belongs to the Christians--those that are in Christ Jesus. The old covenant is dead and you, through your pride of race and religion, are trying to ressurect it. You call yourself a Christians but you seem to want to associate more with antichrist Talmudic Judaism than with your true brothers in Christ. Message 2963621 You lie about Jesus, you lie about the Word of God, you lie about the New Covenant, you lie about the Old Covenant, you lie about the Prophets, you lie against the Church, you lie about the spirit of death in Talmudic Judaism and you lie about me and Robert being Nazis and KKK, you lie about us not believing and loving the Old Testament. It is antichrist modern Talmudic Judaism that we hate and not the Holy Word of God in the Old Testament You deliberately made up this lie about us not loving the Old Tesatament to try and poison some of the simple Christians on this thread. Where does this spirit of lying come from but from your association with the "Synagogue of Satan". Alsn said "I am not a Chritians but a Jew who believes in Messiah." That is like saying I refuse to join the Jewish Apostles and disciples that founded the Christian Church through the power of the Holy spirit and prefer to join myself to the antichrist "Synagogue of Satan" Why would you want to join yourself to this evil if you are a Christian? How can the Holy Spirit have fellowship with the "Synagogue of Satan"? Because of the spirit of racial pride and arrogant spirit that Talmudic Judaism is putting in you, you want to remove the authority that God has given His Church and give it to antichirst Zionists. By your own words, you refuse to join yourself to the Body of christ because you love the spirit and culture of death in Talmudic Judaism more than the Spirit of Light and LIfe in the Christian Church. Alan said:I am not a Christian, I am a Jew.. What does it mean when a person says "I am not a Christian? It means that they do not want to be associated with the Christian Church that Jesus founded through the outpouring of the HOly Spirit. It means that they prefer to be associated with the antichrist Jews that rejected Jesus rather than be associated with the Jews who accepted Jesus and founded the Church. If your love for Talmudic Judaism and the "Synagogue of satan" is greater than your love of Christ and His Body the Christian Church, you will reap a harvest of death. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Above are some of your post's directed at myself and being born Jewish. I will some up some of my thought's in my next post since this one became so lengthy. I will let them speak for there content. I am a Jew and I believe in Yeshua. There is no reason to change my religon which is based on the Bible. I only wish the best for you Emile and would only hope for you to see the love of God for all that he has created. Alan