To: epicure who wrote (259903 ) 9/3/2014 7:48:20 PM From: koan Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 540884 Any sociologist in the world would tell you that all of the things you outline below are direct outgrowths of the 400 years of slavery, etc. Their culture was totally destroyed, they had no help with education, just the opposite and how does one build self esteem as a slave or a victim of segregation and pervasive harsh racism. It is a wonder they aren't all nuts given the magnitude of the tragedy and psychological beatings they endlessly endure. The stuff you outline is all directly related to not having a healthy and happy childhood with lots of positive support and ego boosting moments and a sound in tact informed culture that can guide a child with needed information toward self actualization. Most African Americans are just trying to figure out how to pay for food and housing jobs are so hard for them to get. Just look at how well the Jews do. That is the result of 1,000 years of a society cultivating education as the means to survival, and building fortunes they assist other Jews with. Every Jew is not only expected to go to college, they are also funded, or assisted, if not by parents then an uncle or someone else one way or another. The African American on the other hand instead had 400 years where education was not only not encouraged and facilitated, but denied. And they sure as hell had no help with self esteem and tutoring and funding and an intellectual and well funded network to draw help from. <<Worshiping idiot rappers. Having babies out of wedlock at an alarming rate. Calling successful blacks names. Failing to appreciate the value of an education. None of those things seem to follow de facto from slavery, segregation, chain gangs, corrupt racist judicial systems and a lack of employment and general harsh racism. In fact, blacks in the 50's, much closer to all the things that are so abhorrent, actually DID seem to appreciate educational opportunities, did not seem as likely to call other blacks names if they were successful (though "passing" was looked on negatively- but that really can be seen as turning your back on the group to which you belong- and so might be seen as a kind of apostasy), and did seem to appreciate family values- and the value of having a father in one's home, AND seemed to have heroes that were positive, rather than violent, disreputable rappers.