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To: miraje who wrote (192614)	9/19/2015 7:57:39 AM
From: Bearcatbob	2 Recommendations Recommended By CommanderCricket isopatch Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206329

This is a really incredible story and one that will be interesting to watch play out. One would have thought somewhere in the chain there would have been a whistle blower. This gives all of us who worked our lives in private industry a bad stigma as so many think corporations are corrupt - and stuff like this only gives them ammunition. It will just become another tool for the grow government crowd to use. Bob

To: miraje who wrote (192614)	9/19/2015 12:29:03 PM
From: JimisJim	Respond to of 206329

Don't know about other states, but in Cal, there are different types of smog tests depending on where you live and how old your car is... basically, if you live in urban areas, you get a "ODB II" type test on newer vehicles every 2 years... after they are I think 5 years old, you have to take them to a shop with a dynamometer for testing every two years... apparently all wheel drive cars don't have to do the dynamometer... for those who live in non-urban areas, ODB II is always specified: "California has split up the state into 3 areas that determine the type of smog you need. Test Only & Regular smog are NOT types of smog checks. They are types of stations. There is a big difference between the type of station and type of smog check. There are three types of smog inspection areas in California: Enhanced Areas: Vehicles within specified model years are required to be certified every two years during their registration renewal with DMV. Also a portion of the vehicles are required to obtain a certificate (passing Smog test) from a Test-Only or Gold Shield station. Vehicles registered in an Enhanced Area must receive an ASM (Acceleration Simulation Mode) Smog Check *unless the vehicle is not compatible... (all wheel drive for example)... Basic Areas: Vehicles within specified model years are required to be certified every two years during their registration renewal with DMV. Vehicles registered in a Basic Area must receive a TSI (Two Speed Idle) Smog Check. Change of Ownership Areas: Vehicles within specified model years are required to be certified only upon change of ownership or initial registration in California. Vehicles registered in this area must receive a TSI (Two Speed Idle) Smog Check. In a nutshell, the area your vehicle is registered in determines whether your receive a TSI (Two Speed Idle) test or an ASM (Acceleration Simulation Mode) test. Types of Smog Inspection Procedures There are two ways to get the inspection; TSI ( Two Speed Idle) and ASM (Acceleration Simulation Mode). TSI (Two Speed Idle): Vehicle is put into Park or Neutral, engine speed is held at 2,500 RPM for 30 seconds, then at idle (under 1,200 RPM) for another 30 seconds. Functional OBD-II computer test for check engine light and fault codes. And a Visual Inspection for defective or modified emissions controls parts. ASM (Acceleration Simulation Mode): Vehicle is run on a dynamometer at 15 MPH for up to 90 seconds, then accelerated to 25 MPH for another 90 seconds. Functional OBD-II computer test for check engine light and fault codes. And a Visual Inspection for defective or modified emissions controls parts. Regardless of the area, All-Wheel-Drive vehicles will recieve a TSI test at any smog station.* Types of Smog Stations Now we will answer the big question, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? There are 3 types of stations in California and they ALL can issue certificates but under certain conditions. The DMV directs vehicles to one of these three and this is where the confusion happens. Test Only Station: These stations can perform the inspection and issue a certificate for any car that passes, BUT they cannot perform ANY type of repairs on the vehicle. Regular Smog Station: These are also known as Smog & Repair shops. They can perform smog inspections for SOME vehicles and repairs for all vehicles. Gold Shield Stations: These stations started out as a test and repair, have met a certain level of competency to be licensed to inspect any type of vehicle and repair any type of vehicle. They also provide service for the CAP (Consumer Assistance Program). If the DMV sends you to a Test-Only or Gold Shield, this means you have to take your car to either one of those. You CANNOT take it to a Smog & Repair Shop. *If the DMV sends you to a regular smog station, this means your free to take it to ANY SHOP you'd like.

To: miraje who wrote (192614)	9/19/2015 2:51:28 PM
From: Elroy Jetson	1 Recommendation Recommended By sjemmeri Respond to of 206329

The VW engine CPU would necessarily need to pass all emissions tests while idling, in addition to activating the special 2-wheel-only mode for dynamometer testing. No consumer is going to notice reduced diesel engine performance while idling. The VW cheat is designed to provide better mileage and better engine performance while driving by violating air quality standards. The EPA requires all vehicle manufacturers to submit their new model vehicles to the EPA for dynamometer emissions tests before they can be approved for sold in the United States. The dynamometer tests include a simulated city test pattern and a simulated highway test while also measuring gas mileage. These EPA emissions approval tests are not related to any emissions testing consumers may be subsequently required to perform periodically in their county or state of residence. It has become less common for vehicle makers to produce different models specifically for the California market, so I suspect California now contracts the EPA to perform this same testing on any California specific models. California also uses dynamometer testing for semi-annual post-sale licensing, and the VW engine CPU also permits these diesel cars to falsely pass these semi-annual tests as well as the CPU senses only two of the four wheels are moving.