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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10197)	12/23/1997 11:20:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile, I think these things that are found by people and brought to light to be proven, of course, do remind me that one of the cleverest thing the mind of the enemy working in humans can do is change little words in the Bible. More and more I see this all through the "New" hip translations. I have several that I have yelled about to other people, because it so radically changes the intent. May mention them some day. This is what Matthew 13:24 spoke of when Jesus spoke of the man sowing the tares after the good man sprinkled wheat seed everywhere. And now I know where the "Joseph" thing came from in the N.T., but don't blame that on the Hebrew only. When I was sent to Catholic grade school for one year, I received the traditional sadistic battering from the older frustrated nuns everyone hears about for returning for some butter for my bread out of order in the cafeteria. Just like being mugged in the park. Will never forget. But also I had to pray to Mary, Jesus and Joseph, and say the forehead, heart, whatever it is I now happily do without too much trouble when I go to Orthodox Christian church. Even I was smart enough to know in the 4th grade that Joseph didn't seem right being there. There were statues of him everywhere. To call Jesus the son of Joseph or even mention Joseph is strange, as Joseph was a man assigned basically to protect Mary from being stoned to death for being pregnant in the first place. Personally, you can't really make a point of the Hebrew translation except to point where the error between Hebrew and Greek and English ESPECIALLY and Greek--terrible discrepancies there, how about commenting on them TOO--occur. Just do us all a very big favor and do not turn your knowledge of interesting tidbits of potentially idea changing error into an attack on people who know how to read Hebrew reading a Bible in Hebrew. That is out of your jurisdication. You can't fault anyone reading the Bible in French, either. But you can point out the error of the original translator perhaps if you find it. When you learn these fine points of human interchange, perhaps your very keen mind can be of great service to the Kingdom of God as satan stands up each day to take more and more control. Would you also attack anyone who had mentioned a Russian Bible they read since they know Russian in such an accusatory tone? That's what you've got to get under control, Emile. That accusatory tone. Aside from the fact that the Catholics and the Hebrew N.T. give some place to Joseph, what I am curious about it what is the agenda at the highest levels of the spiritual warfare lof "Joseph", period. I always have seen it as a little mind game-- a replacement of the idea of Zeus and Hera of the Romans, or as in man-made concepts of god having a manmade concept of a god-child. That's what bothers me about Joseph, he just doesn't belong anywhere in any trinity except for a census role in Bethlehem in the downtime between 1 b.c. and 1 a.d. Joseph absolutely, positively is a tare sown, period. And I still see his statues in many churches. I am always stopped in my tracks to stare when I see it. If anyone has factural wisdom on why this might be, I always love light shined into darkness I can't figure out myself.l

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10197)	12/23/1997 11:50:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

By the way, Emile. I re-read your post to Nancy or Alan. Once again your de fuerer is coming out. It seems mean-spirited again. I can see what is happening here. No matter what they say or do, you wish to poison minds that no matter how much they say that they have the same relationship with Jesus Christ that any other person on the threads or in the world has, you do consciously sneak back in with a little mind poison thing that sounds like a demon whispering accusations clothed in truth. The fact is you speak of the truth of the accusation, but you whisper poison against Nancy and Alan directly, and I can hear it plainly now. Very disturbing. This is evil Emile. I ask that you pray about it. Your "people skills" are lacking. But here it is your "Holy Spirit Skills". I think you need to attend a seminar in Holy Spirit Skills, if the Lord will put on one for you.l

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10197)	12/23/1997 12:52:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

Emile; You know what I think of all this it's all a complicated bunch of hogwash. It is because of your twisting of whatever you deem to twist to satisfy your problem you have against Jewish people period that you will continue in your damnation of a people and the state of Israel. You never answered my question ??????? Message 3020558 Why do you refuse to answer my question??????? Keep talking about the Jews but I want my question answered??????? Don't worry I can handle it I know my thoughts just as you know yours. Alan

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10197)	12/23/1997 3:43:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile,You are offended by the lack of reverance for Mary but can't understand a reverance for Gods title. Everyone has to agree with you and have no feelings different than yours about reverance or anything. What is revealing is that the Babylonian Talmud taught reverance for G-d. I agree that is very revealing. I thought it only taught rapping babies and killing Christians wow reverance for G-d. I still in no way support or defend the Babylonian Talmud but I also resent irresponsible comments about any literature.Alan asked who wrote the Talmud God or men and was not answered. Our statement is that if it was written by men we DO NOT defend or support it in any way.Even Rachmiel states clearly that it is not inspired by the Holy Spirit and the Jewish community is split over it. SO GET OVER IT, Nancy

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10197)	12/24/1997 3:35:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Respond to of 39621

><>...GO TELL IT ON THE MOUNTAIN...><> over ~~the hills and ~~everywhere, Go tell it on ~~~the mountain That ~~~~Jesus Christ is born~! We wish you and yours a blessed Christmas and a most holy eve. 13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, 14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. Shalom...><> Ps 133:1-3 1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! 2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; 3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.