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To: O'Hara who wrote (46)	12/23/1997 3:51:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 609

><>...BELIEVE IT NOT...><> Matt 24:22-28 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, ,b>if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not,/b>. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

To: O'Hara who wrote (46)	12/23/1997 3:55:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Respond to of 609

><>...The second tribulation begins...><> Matt 24:29-36 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.... But Jesus has already told us what to look for, and then we will know the season!

To: O'Hara who wrote (46)	12/23/1997 4:00:00 PM
From: O'Hara	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 609

><>...As it was in the days of Noah!...><> Matt 24:37-47 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,...( Do you know who they are?) 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left....(Taken by who?) 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left....(Taken by who?) 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

To: O'Hara who wrote (46)	12/23/1997 11:25:00 PM
From: Scott Shumaker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 609

Shalom, Thanks for your reply. I've still got some shopping to do, but will respond to your comments after the holidays. Merry Christmas, Scott

To: O'Hara who wrote (46)	1/4/1998 1:04:00 AM
From: Scott Shumaker	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 609

Shalom, as I've stated before, my intentions here are not to debate Mary, but to discuss "the signs of the times". I offered the links in reference to many things written by these people relating to the current state of world events. I'm not Catholic, but sense becoming aware of this material and others, with much prayer, I've attempted to look at it and at scripture to see if it has any relevance. So here goes throwing out my original intention...(If not interested in my thoughts on Mary, click NEXT) You asked, "do you sincerely believe that Mary, the Blessed mother of our Lord, who maintained a very low profile while Jesus was alive would now find it necessary to take a front row seat?...And bring her plan to mankind?...The word of God does not speak of such a plan.! Why would Mary? The 12th chapter of Rev. speaks of ...a woman clothed with the son, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head... I believe John to be speaking about Mary in this chapter. I have come to believe she will be involved in God's plan for the final days. I sugest rereading this chapter for yourself to see what the Holy Spirit may reveal to you. Some other thoughts ... Sin entered the human race through Eve, a woman. Christ, our salvation, entered this world through the womb of Mary, also a woman. Christ, speaking to John from the Cross, said in John 19:27 ...Here is you mother... Was Christ not speaking to us also... not to worship, but to respect. Just something to think about. I don't worship Mary and I am not proposing it, yet she was a very special person in the life of Christ. I think she deserves our respect. It was the men who fled, not the women. God so loved the world that He gave his Son to die for us. Mary so loved God that she also gave her son to fulfill God's will. Not that she could have stopped God's plan, but I believe she probably knew before the disciples did, what was going to happen. She suffered a great loss as well. We should not ignore what she went through as a mother. As I said, just thoughts. When John Paul II was asked about the visions, healings, and other miraculous events that have happened in Medjugorje (a remote village in the former Yugoslavia) and other sites around the world in the last two decades of this century, he replied ... "While the church has not officially recognized these events . . . if people are finding faith, others returning to their beliefs, praying more, and returning to church, who am I to say this is not of God. I'll respond it the other questions shortly. In Christ, Scott