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To: neolib who wrote (284626)12/4/2015 11:59:51 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 541851
 
I think what some people call "faith" in science, is really a reliance on data. The faithful have no data- if they did, they wouldn't be "faithful"- they'd be scientists. We are, from infancy, scientists. We drop our toy on the floor- gravity! We play with water- it's not like solids! And then, someone tells us about religion, like they tell us about Santa. And for some people, that God thing lasts a lifetime even though Santa doesn't. Go figure. I don't get it. (Although to be fair, there's a lot more evidence for Santa than God- there's a hell of a lot of fat men in red suits everywhere claiming to be Santa...but, like God, if there's only one, why are there so many fat men in red suits? )



To: neolib who wrote (284626)12/4/2015 4:04:52 PM
From: Sun Tzu  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541851
 
Here's Hebrew 11 and it does not say what you say it does:
biblegateway.com

In fact, I am willing to bet that if you are not misremembering the passage, then what you saw was a mistranslation. There are in fact 3 words for "faith". They roughly translate into "believing/knowing", "trusting", and "being so certain as to actually see/feel it." The fact that 3 words existed and are used means that not every faithful achieves the final stage, which is what you are talking about.