To: The Ox who wrote (17544 ) 1/7/2016 12:27:54 AM From: John Pitera Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 33421 LOL... I did not realize that you posted the China rout ...... great minds think alike -g- Chinese exchange traders were sent home after 29 minutes of the day gone by. The sharp depreciation in the yuan in recent weeks should—in theory—help Chinese exporters that were hit hard last year by the strong Chinese currency. A stronger currency tends to make goods more expensive in overseas markets. Since Aug. 11, the yuan has depreciated 6.1% against the U.S. dollar. But China’s actions now have such enormous global spillover effects, which could blunt any benefits, analysts and exporters said. In the business world, Chinese exporters say their overseas customers quickly demand discounts in line with currency depreciation moves , which negates much of the benefit that they would otherwise receive. The same thing tends to happen in global currency markets as other nations depreciate their currencies in tandem with the yuan to maintain competitive position. “There certainly is a huge risk of currency wars breaking out,” Mr. Barron said. --------- ........ Markets have reacted violently this week to glimpses of what’s happening in the world’s second-largest economy through the lens of manufacturing and services surveys, moves in its local-investor dominated stock market, and onshore and offshore foreign exchange markets. China’s official gross domestic product growth figures have long drawn skepticism, so investors have looked to alternative constructions meant to approximate the rate. One such indicator is the Keqiang Index. It’s based on Chinese Premier Li Keqiang’s contention in a leaked diplomatic cable, when he was party secretary of Liaoning, that official GDP figures were overstated. He said it was more reliable to track three indicators: railway cargo volume, electricity consumption and loans disbursed by banks. Compiled into an index, those sectors showed an annual growth rate of 2.38% at the end of November , Mr. Marber said, compared with official GDP figures of 6.9% in the third quarter of last year. Still, the three alternative indicators largely reflect the manufacturing component of the economy, which means the index doesn’t reflect China’s increasingly important service sector, he said. The service sector doesn’t tend to affect such “proxy” indicators as the freight industry, commodity prices, or imports, which makes it more difficult to triangulate the size of that part of the economy, according to Nikolaj Schmidt, chief international economist at T. Rowe Price Group. On top of that, there are already fewer official indicators of services than manufacturing. “What do we really know about the Chinese service industry? You need to have some boots on the ground to get a better feel for it,” Mr. Schmidt said. This lack of data will challenge investors to answer a key question: amid a slowdown in China’s manufacturing sector, which helped spur a boom in commodities and boosted global growth, how much will the service-based economy even matter for other nations’ economic prospects? Growth in China’s service sector may not provide much support for prices of commodities and related financial assets. China’s central bank has been guiding the yuan lower in the mainland Chinese market as the economy’s acceleration slows. The fall in the currency, which hit a new five-year low on Wednesday , is causing growing trepidation among investors of all stripes. “We have been surprised by the currency weakness in the last few days, and that’s an important part of why the market has been so uncertain,” said Amer Bisat, a portfolio manager in New York with BlackRock. JP