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To: Ilaine who wrote (31310)	2/2/2016 11:41:52 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39302

Barnard et al. have NOT proved that they cured diabetes with a plant based diet. I did not read all the material referenced in the post to which you responded so I don't know if anyone said "cure" or not. You are correct, of course, re it being cured. The post, however, mentioned "reversed," which could be accurate. The medical term, I believe, may be used to indicate simply halting or slowing the worsening trend, hence a plateau would constitute a reversal. It's plausible that some diabetics would have a diet so bad--junk food--that switching to the proposed diet could provoke a modest reversal. Not saying I would recommend the proposed diet, only that the claim of reversal might not technically be a lie. [I have a close friend who opted for that type of diet. She has been resisting any diabetes medication for a good decade now and has always been what would be considered a healthy eater for a non-diabetic but her dietary efforts became no longer sufficient so this is a last-gasp effort. She's a very smart and rational person and she is well aware of my leanings but she loves food and her tastes are more along the lines of the Mediterranean diet. She has cut way back on pasta but life without legumes would be very painful for her. Cutting out the fat and meat for her is tolerable. When she was making that decision I, of course, read all her sources, researched a bunch, and weighed in a bit but I didn't press. We no longer live nearby so I can't observe results. I have quit asking how it is working but I'm pretty sure that, if it were doing the job, she would have told me.]

To: Ilaine who wrote (31310)	2/2/2016 3:39:55 PM
From: silvertoad	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39302

hi ilaine, while you believe carbs are the primary culprit in diabetes, the evidence, i believe, points elsewhere. imo you simply need to do further research, keeping an open mind while so doing. see for example, nutritionfacts.org in which over half a century ago diabetic retinopathy was -- yes -- cured by a very high carbohydrate diet. the less strict plant-based diets recommended by the contemporary drs mentioned earlier apparently also have excellent success; perhaps you should read one of their books. i have no axe to grind here, nor any interest in getting into arguments about these issues; my intent in posting was simply to point any interested readers to a wonderful source of nutritional research info (dr gregor's site) which i at least have found most eye-opening. from what i've learned, if i had diabetes, hypertension, heart disease, or cancer, i would likely drop the moderate amounts yogurt and cheese i've long included in my diet and become a full vegan. but of course, everyone must choose their own way; i'm not preaching; 'veganism', just pointing out that the science shows they suffer far less than omnivores from society's usual ills.