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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10278)	12/27/1997 4:52:00 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

God's definition of a New Covenant Jew and the New Covenant Seed of Abraham: God's gives us a clear definition of His New Covenant People--the real Choosen People of God. Jesus Christ was the Seed of Abraham and the Seed of David to whom God made His promises. Everyone who has faith in Jesus enters into the seed of Abraham through their faith in Jesus. What a glorious redemption!! Through our faith in Jesus, God recreates us into the Sons and daughters of God--God's New Jerusalem and Daughter of Zion. All the promises of God are "in Him(Jesus) yea, and in Him Amen, unto the glory of God by us(Chritians)"2Cor. 1:20 This means that all the promises of the Old Covenant belong to God's New Covenant Israel. In Romans, the Holy Spirit says: ----------------------------- 28: For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Rom.2:28,29 ----------------------------- In Galatains, the Holy Spirit says: ----------------------------- 29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal.3:29 ------------------------------ In Philippians, the Holy Spirit says: ------------------------------ 2: Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision(Judaizers or modern Judaism). 3: For we(Christians) are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Phil.3:3 ------------------------------ In 1Peter, the Holy Spirit says: ------------------------------ 9: But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. 1Pet.2:9,10

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10278)	12/27/1997 5:34:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Emile; "Our religious Jewish people send their children to the Yeshivot. There, too, they are taught the words of men, the Talmud, because it is maintained that the study of the Talmud is more important than the study of the Tenach (Old Covenant Scriptures). As a result Christians have been translating the Hebrew Bible into hundreds of languages, while we who gave the Bible to the world are standing on the sidelines." He makes mention of sending the children to the Yeshivot, well I wasn't one of those children and if you ask any Jew today I would be surprised if 10% attended Yeshivot let alone 5% so your statement is lame. Also if you remember I told you time and time again that I believed in the Torah and acknowledge the Old and New Testament I also told you that I have accepted Jesus (Yeshua) as my Savior but that is not good enough for you. You want me to label myself as a Christian, I am really getting sick and tired of you telling me what I should belive and what label I need to put on myself to satisfy your twisted way of thinking if you noticed at the end of the paragraph the following is stated; "As a result Christians have been translating the Hebrew Bible into hundreds of languages, while we who gave the Bible to the world are standing on the sidelines." The words were taken out of my mouth and the statement was very well put. What Christian would I be Emile what type of Christian are you? God forbid I deem to be a wrong type of Christian in your eyes, to me your a bigot and a self serving prideful hateful person who has nothing better to do than condemn the world Jews included for your own prideful and self serving spirit. The languages he is talking about is the Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Mormon and the hundreds of other Christian denominations. Also you never answered my question; Robert did in a indirect way whats your reply to the following post; Message 3020558 Alan

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10278)	12/28/1997 12:18:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

Emile, Yhank you for puttimg the information you are quoting on your post. Again it is easy for me to see your desire to find fault. The quote "Since Jewish people consider tradition and Talmud to be inspired, the next step is to blame God Himself for this trajedy. Folowing is the correct way ro present this information. The quote is by a man named Richard L. Rubinstein not Rachmiel. You have no respect for any journalism and make everyting suite your thoughts. The sad part of Mr. Rubinsteind quote is that he is saying what the Gentiles especially Christians say to them that this was Gods punishment and therefore pushing the Jews further from their loving Messiah. Even you refrenced God forsaking them as a fulfillment of Dueteronomy 28 the only Old Testament verse still in effect.All the judgements on Israel given by the Lord were pronounced on that generation so the so called Christians that called the Jews the sons of the devil and the synagogue of satan (as you do)were on their own when they performed horendous acts of cruelty on Jews and other people.Many of the Jews were told this was being done for Jesus and Christianity that is another reason I don't choose to use that term for following my Lord.Anyway I copied the section that you took 1 sentence out of the middle of and used it to say something different than the author intended(as usual). From Emiles post# There is a Jewish saying based on the Talmud: "Whosoever destroys one life in Israel is as he would destroy the whole world, and whosoever preserves one life in Israel is as he would preserve the whole world" (Talmud, Sanhedrin 38a). Since Jewish people consider tradition and Talmud to be inspired, the next step is to blame God Himself for this tragedy. This feeling is expressed in strong words by Richard L. Rubinstein in his book entitled, After Auschwitz: How can Jews believe in an omnipotent, beneficent God after Auschwitz? Tradi-tional Jewish theology maintains that God is the ultimate; omnipotent actor in the historical drama. It has interpreted every major catastrophe in Jewish history as God's punishment of a sinful Israel. I fail to see how this position can be maintained without regarding Hitler and the SS as instruments of God's will. The agony of European Jewry cannot be likened to the testing of Job. To see any purpose in the death camps, the traditional believer is forced to regard the most demonic, anti- human explosion in all history as a meaningful expression, of God's purposes. The idea is simply too obscene to me to accept. It is obscene for me to accept but this shows how so many Christians could get caught up in Hitlers lies and become monsters. Rachmiel says in his book, When being Jewish was a crime, that the Christians he had loved and fellowshipped with before the war (the majority) were going to turn him into the Nazis as God says in Romans that we are to obey the laws of the land. This seemed incredable to him. What about the midwives that went against Pharoahs orders to kill the Jewish babies and was commend by God. I can go on and on to say that Gods law is surperiour to the laws of the land. But I can't understand a heart that could become so hard but know I am seeing it.I felt encouraged this morning but know feel like anything you say to us is sinister and insincere in nature. By the way not all Jewish schools teach Talmud you are taking that from sources that are from Europe before the war. I went to some local Jewish schools to interview them for my sons and found no Talmud in the curriculum.Rachmiel went to a Talmud Yeshivot because his family were deeply Orthodox in Europe many years ago and he did not enter this study until many years of regular Torah training. I am curious why you consider yourself such an authority on Modern Judaism and Talmud? Nancy