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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10289)	12/27/1997 8:48:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

Emile; I did not bother to read your post because I am very familiar with your antics I asked you a simple question and I wanted A simple answer; I still keep my Jewish traditions and the only thing I believe in that the typical Jews does not is that I accepted Jesus as my Messiah. I belive in the Old and New Testament. Why can't you give me a direct answer if I sincerely believe in Jesus will I enter Heaven I will not call myself a Christian for I am a Jew. Now being that the case give me a simple answer according to your beliefs am I saved or not. (yes or no) stop talking in circles. Also for your information Jews do not hate Jesus, they just do not accept him as their Messiah. What they do not like is the antisemetic comments that you profess in your words. Alan

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10289)	12/28/1997 2:38:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Alan, I think we both share similar views of the current state of the "Christian" church, as in the European legacy of the gospel of Jesus Christ, diluted down from the beautiful Jesus Movement of the 70s into an electronic media Star Search. That seems repugnant, yes. But it also bothers me that you despise the term Christian. Please recognize that is just identity with Jesus Christ, as in Christ, the Annointed One sent from Jahweh, and the term Christ-ian is a beloved association with Himself. That we are of Christ, the Messiah, the Savior. I agree that the Heavenly Father who loves His Son above anyhing any of us could dream of, would also want you more associated with His Son than to SEEMINGLY, in word anyway, distance or dissassociate yourself by saying I AM A JEW! A JEW, A JEW (little letters here and quietly..."who also believes in Jesus"). I do believe this is what Emile hears you say when he sees those statements, and so he yells at you over and over not to be "ashamed" of Jesus Christ, but make yourself one with HIM in name also. It's like Nancy refusing to go by Markoff because she wants to go by her maiden name to please the feminists who feel this is necessary that women assert their independence. Alan, you would go nuts at such an idea. But what Emile doesn't realize is you hear Christian, and you think anglo-europeans, period. And just can't relate to it. But. You will have to come to the conclusion that God the Father relates to it, and may even be using Emile to beat you on the head with the concept for your own good in the long run. For instance, if you were to say I am a Christ-ian, yes, a follower of Jesus Christ, but I am born and Jew and will not deny my heritage, and my first and only ministry, perhaps, is to the Jews and them alone. Then this would mean that you had more than just a belief that Jesus might be the Messiah. That is what Emile is getting at, and I saw that right off, but this has worn me out too, and I post a lot of stuff and erase it because this is all so weird anyway. I can't believe we're all here, but I believe we will be here until the Lord is finished making His points to everyone through each other. We have made our point to Emile, and I'm sure he has noted much of it, so I hope you are also considering that naming yourself with Jesus Christ is part of the personal love relationship we all share with him. That's the whole point. That is why Emile keeps questioning it, and ends up sounding like a brown shirt for it much of the time. But he is right, and I see what he is saying is truth, and perhaps Jesus would kindly ask you the same thing--what is it about Him you do not want to be assocaited with? As in associating with His name? Christos is "annointed" in a totally divine manner, only as with the Son of God. So Christ is a beautiful term. Is there a reason other than sociological dislike of the term as opposed to "Islam" or "Buddhist" or "Jewish"?