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To: i-node who wrote (934285)5/10/2016 1:30:08 PM
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J_F_Shepard

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I'd say it's you that doesn't understand fascism. If you did, you'd see that Trump is a classic, easily identified neo-fascist. The truth is, you and your team have been WANTING a fascist 'strong man' for a long time!

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Is Donald Trump a Fascist?

Yes and no.
By Isaac Chotiner

slate.com

First of all, let me preface it by saying that I’m very, very reluctant to use the word fascism loosely, because it’s almost the most powerful epithet you can use. I guess child molester might be a little more powerful but not much.


Nazi maybe, but that’s just a version of fascism.


It’s the same thing. It’s enormously tempting. Anyway, the echoes you can deal with on two levels. First of all, there are the kinds of themes Trump uses.
The use of ethnic stereotypes and exploitation of fear of foreigners is directly out of a fascist’s recipe book. “Making the country great again” sounds exactly like the fascist movements. Concern about national decline, that was one of the most prominent emotional states evoked in fascist discourse, and Trump is using that full-blast, quite illegitimately, because the country isn’t in serious decline, but he’s able to persuade them that it is. That is a fascist stroke. An aggressive foreign policy to arrest the supposed decline. That’s another one. Then, there’s a second level, which is a level of style and technique. He even looks like Mussolini in the way he sticks his lower jaw out, and also the bluster, the skill at sensing the mood of the crowd, the skillful use of media.
I read an absolutely astonishing account of Trump arriving for a political speech, somewhere out West I think, and his audience was gathered in an airplane hangar, and he landed his plane at the field and taxied up to the hangar and got out. That is exactly what they did in 1932 for Hitler’s first election victory. No one had ever seen a candidate arrive by plane before; it was absolutely dazzling, the impression given, the decisiveness of power, of authority, of modernity. I suppose it was accidental, but wow, that is an almost letter-perfect replay of a Hitler election tactic. And
the capacity of Trump to enlist working-class voters against the left is exactly what Hitler and Mussolini were able to do. There are definitely echoes.
Do you think that Trump is consciously using fascist tropes, or do you think that he’s just sort of stumbled into this?


I doubt it’s conscious. I don’t think he’s a bookish man. I’m sure he’s never read a book about Hitler or Mussolini...




To: i-node who wrote (934285)5/10/2016 1:35:36 PM
From: combjelly  Respond to of 1578188
 
I understand it perfectly. You however...


We don't know what the United States will look like as a fascist state.

Details? No. But fascist states have consistent characteristics. That is what separates them from other authoritarian states.

Fascism springs from the left as much as the right.

Examples? Fascism is generally regarded as a right wing phenomenon. Except for maybe in wingnut circles.

As to the rest of your screed,

Authoritarian != Fascism. Neither Hillary nor Obama show any evidence of fascism. Granted, both are more authoritarian than I like, but American politicians in general lean much more authoritarian than I like. Even Ron Paul.

No one knows what Trump will do if elected. Probably even Trump. But he is running on a fascist platform in the Mussolini mold. I don't think he has yet claimed that he will make the trains run on time. But it wouldn't surprise me if he said that about the airlines.

Again, read some of Mussolini's speeches. Get Taro to translate if you want. Substitute 'America' for 'Italy'.



To: i-node who wrote (934285)5/10/2016 2:33:01 PM
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i-node

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We do not know whether Trump will build on the precedent he is inheriting; I rather suspect that he will, if elected.

Unless and until Congress asserts its power the presidency will become even more imperial. Unfortunately most Americans believe the presidency is imperial and that's why Congress is so unpopular regardless of party affiliations. One alternative is a constitutional convention where the states assert their powers but again most Americans don't get what's happening.