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To: Janice Shell who wrote (26)1/1/1998 4:08:00 PM
From: Rambi  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 4710
 
Hey, Janice!!! Where have I heard that complaint before???
My children were raised to say, "It is I," and "This is he," when answering the phone. They know they sound weird, but they also know they are correct and choose to continue. I thought Jack had an interesting point about c'est moi, although I don't particularly want to use the French as my linguistic role models; they're too damn arrogant already. Plus, they only have 100,000 words in common use, as opposed to our rich English language, which boasts half a million.
I have stopped using the word "forte", referring to a quality in which someone excels, because I pronounce it with the preferred 'fort' and not 'for-tay' and I'm tired of people looking at me as if I were stupid.
Once someone posts in a forum such as this, has she set herself up to be read very critically? Scary!



To: Janice Shell who wrote (26)1/1/1998 4:58:00 PM
From: Jack Clarke  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4710
 
Janice:

We've just met, and already I have to argue with you. I do remember "I couldn't care less" being used in conversation and then being replaced by what I think is the ironic "I could care less". Certainly the actual idea is conveyed by the former. The user really means that he/she cares very little about the topic under discussion, and if "I could care less" is interpreted literally, it must mean that the person has a greater degree of care than zero. See my post

Message 3018268

Also, you are correct in that "people who" is now preferable to "people that", but it was not always so. Examples:

1. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice:

PORTIA. The quality of mercy is not strain'd;
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest --
It blesseth him that gives, and him that takes.

2. Anglican/Episcopal Book of Common Prayer:

Thou that sittest at the right hand of the God the Father,
have mercy on us.

Just remember, the language is changing!

Jack



To: Janice Shell who wrote (26)1/1/1998 8:13:00 PM
From: James F. Hopkins  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 4710
 
Janice; I'm poor at grammar, but I do know to use "people who",
instead of "people that".
Here is one that gets my goat..
"A mind is a terrible thing to waste " they said that to be
poetic or something but how many kids hear it and attach
to a meaning of the mind being a terrible thing.
I'm an 8th grade drop out, yet for a collage to coin such
a statement as that has from the first time I heard it
caused me to wonder just how bright they are.
Any how; who minds wasting terrible things ?
Jim



To: Janice Shell who wrote (26)1/2/1998 9:19:00 PM
From: jbe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4710
 
Back to "I could not care less" vs. "I could care less."

No. "I could not care less" is the original usage. "I could care less" is not meant to convey irony; rather, it communicates confusion over what the expression is intended to mean. The source I quoted in my original post (#10) explains that confusion succinctly.