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To: Trey McAtee who wrote (8752)	1/3/1998 2:57:00 AM
From: SteveG	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21342

<..i didnt misread your post. i was referring to your past comments that you did not think DSL would be deployed if the telcos had to unbundle the loop...> Well then, it seems you misunderstood my previous posts. My point has been that until the issue is settled (the issue being the unbundling and rebundling requirements, and state determination of tariffs for this), the telcos will have this nagging uncertainty hanging over there deployments costs. Once the uncertainty is gone, they will be able to make clearer decisions. <..as for the court decision, it will be modified, but not likely overturned. the telcom act of 1996 was unfair to the RBOCs...> That may turn out to be true. But not if AT&T, MCI et.al. and Congress and Justice have anything to say about it. <..and this is something i dont think you get yet, high speed services are the future for telecom. if they dont want to be a part of it, then they will do nothing and let cable takeover...> And you apparently haven't gotten my point. As far as the RBOCs are concerned, the future is not here until they are ready for it to be. Not if, but when. And IMO, as far as major deployment, the RBOCs will continue to vote "not yet" into the millenium <..as for other regulatory issues like universal service and reliablity, there is RADSL...> RADSL helps ensure SOME level of connection stays active, but doesn't ensure what the speed of that connection will be. <..the bells have stated that the issues you bring up repeatedly like crosstalk and other interference are either solvable or unimportant...> (Playing billc) Would love to see where the telcos say that solving these problems for the wide variety of their plant and CPE conditions is easy or no big deal. It's not what I have read and heard: For starters: "..."You have to realize the craftspeople talk about weeks to analyze one line for ISDN," said Mike Wodopian, vice president of communication markets at Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (Austin, Texas), "and they say it will be tougher for the DSLs-particularly asymmetric DSL. We've stayed active in subscriber-line circuits because the uptake is predictable. But having been through the ISDN wringer on technology push vs. applications pull, we remain very skeptical of the time frames talked about for DSL service deployment.".." from techweb.com And then read (and digest) these two: teledotcom.com teledotcom.com After you do, please address the serious issues described there (with more than a handwaving "solvable or unimportant") and we can continue the conversation. And fwiw, there are quite a few more of these which detail these problems from a variety of industry (as in "from the inside") perspectives. <.. the only ones i know of right now that actually have some are ALA, then WSTL, and then PAIR... i dont think any of the other telcos are deploying equipment from any other maker like 3COM or rockwell...> And expect that sometime in 98, Rockwell, Nortel, 3Com, ASND, CSCO and Netspeed will all have (at least initial) products available. And the RBOCs will largely wait for these offerings, IMO. And do you think we'll have more than 250K deployed in 98? What percentage will be ALA/Mietec? Good luck- Steve

To: Trey McAtee who wrote (8752)	1/3/1998 2:57:00 AM
From: Dug	Respond to of 21342

[One more time] HDSL rules!!!!. This is really boring me!!! Regards, Dug P.S. Cable modems rule!!!! No HFC rules!!! No FTTC rules!!! No FTTH rules!!

To: Trey McAtee who wrote (8752)	1/3/1998 9:55:00 AM
From: bill c.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21342

Trey: Bell Altantic initially doesn't have to worry about their T1 business, because they are starting in the consumer ADSL market first. When the price and timing it right they will offer it to the business customer. Some posters want to give the impression that the RBOC's/GTE are sitting around not doing anything. GTE purchasing Quest's dark fiber and BBN are just ways to waste money. BA is deploying 1,000,000 DLC lines/year with a separate contract with DSC for upgrading the outside copper is another way to waste money. The RBOC's have been installing DLC systems WELL BEFORE ADSL came on the scene. For a 3 year depreciation period, it will cost the RBOC's $16.6 for the modem pair in the $600 range. Westell's ramp has started... initially with BC, a 4 year deal with Bell Atlantic and a 3 year deal with GTE CLEC, plus those other ~10 smaller contracts... until later.