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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (317266)	11/9/2016 6:38:42 AM
From: Hayduke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541018

Sun, it's easy at this point to say that Sanders would have won, especially for those who were Sanders supporters from the start. But there's no telling how he really would have fared had he had to run a campaign against Trump & the Republican Party. Who knows what the Reps had in their oppo file on Sanders? Or to put it another way - after 10 rounds a fresh fighter always looks better than either of the opponents in a boxing match. That said HRC was anything but a transformative candidate. Her strengths - experience and years of service - became her weaknesses. More than ever the electorate wanted "change you can believe in".

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (317266)	11/9/2016 8:49:39 AM
From: Alex MG	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541018

So after we have just witnessed that all the polls were wrong with re to Trump, you are going to cite a poll that proves Bernie would have won, lol. I don't buy it. Anyway, it's a moot point. The biggest factor is all the years of the Clinton conspiracy crap and hatred that has been thrown at them. There are so many people that just hate Hillary and when you ask them why they can't give you a valid answer. Michael Moore was right. He predicted it months ago. I thought he was crazy. I also follow "reformed broker" on twitter. He's not a Trump supporter but he also predicted it. My election bet with Barry Posted November 1, 2016 by Joshua M Brown My partner Barry Ritholtz and I have a small dollar figure wagered on the upcoming presidential election. He’s betting that Hillary Clinton will win and I’m betting that Donald Trump will win. Neither of us are particularly jazzed about either candidate but you can probably glean that we both agree Trump is a much bigger risk for America and the world, and we don’t embrace unnecessary risk, given our chosen profession. We made the bet a month ago, before the Access Hollywood tape came out and before the Comey letter to Congress. We’ve taken turns looking like winners or losers from week to week, depending on the cycle. Barry knows a lot more about electoral math than I do. But I think I know more about what’s going on with the people in this country, spiritually and mentally. I consider Social IQ to be my primary (only?) advantage in life. I think he’s going to win and shock the world. By the way, my guess at who is going to win does not extend to my investing, personally or professionally. As my team and I have documented relentlessly, making long-term investments based on who is going to be the President is on a par with sports betting or astrology. There are way too many additional variables that carry more weight for market outcomes than who wins the White House in any given election. I can live with a win for Trump because I know he’s not going to actually want to do the job. Fortunately, his son-in-law will step in and run the country behind the scenes. We have a great deal of evidence that Donald listens to Jared and Ivanka more than to anyone else in his life. This could be our (all of our) saving grace. They’re not going to encourage him to point missiles at Mexico. Some deplorable elements of the electorate will not be thrilled to learn six months from now that they’ve just helped to elect the first Orthodox Jewish President, from Manhattan and the media business no less (he owns the Observer), but it will be fun to watch that realization dawn upon them, I guess. All of my friends, with a handful of exceptions, seem to be rooting for Trump. My theory is he reminds them of their dads. Other than that and the nostalgia he’s selling, and the terribleness of Hillary Clinton, I can’t figure out the appeal. I’ve never felt more disconnected from my own friends and family as I do in this election cycle. It’s off-putting and I can’t wait for it to end. I was a Romney supporter last time out and I never liked Obama or his policies (although I do greatly respect the man). This should have been Romney’s second term, but, like Hillary, he’s probably better at the job than he is at campaigning for it. I’d rather we weren’t looking at a President Trump but I’m betting we will be. As Barry remarked to me, If I lose, I still win.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (317266)	11/9/2016 10:45:41 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541018

Donald Trump would have lost US election if Bernie Sanders had been the candidate Nope. I'm still persuaded he was too far out of the mainstream, too easily tagged with the illegitimate "commie" tag. My own view, fwiw, is that the Dem who could have won would have been Biden. No doubt he has some of the same regrets today.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (317266)	11/9/2016 11:21:51 AM
From: Cautious_Optimist	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541018

The lesson was Walter Mondale. I don't think some Bernie supporters understand the anti-left bias and boogeymen at the American core outside our tent. Pockets of educated people outside the left would vote for Bernie. But the mainstream... would be turned away with irrational fears, worse than Clinton. The RNC loves to tie candidates to what they define as socialism (socialism = theft and lost freedom) and the associated dog whistles. View Saul Allinsky references that still get traction on the right. We live in a bubble. I have found many of my Bernie-not-Clinton friends were extremely opposed to Obama too. I am troubled by this, but I know they are honest idealists and I am a liberal pragmatist now. They like to insult me with terms like "neo-liberal." I forgive them.