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To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10504)	1/4/1998 1:11:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

"I have never felt that I was part of the Seed of Abraham." You don't feel it because you lack faith in the Word of God, and consequently you are, because of your lack of faith, not of the seed of Abraham. It is all a matter of faith in God's Word :like faith for our salvation and faith for the baptism of the Holy Spirit faith for righteouness. A more important question is: if you lack faith in this simple part of the Word of God, how can you have faith to know and feel that you are Born Again, how can you have faith to know and fell that you are a daughter of God, how can you have faith to know and feel that you can receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit who Christ has promised to Born Again believers, and finally how can you have faith to know and feel that "you are the righteouness of God in Christ Jesus"? It is simply all by faith or all by lack of faith. The Word of God is true and all men are invited to appropriate all of the blessings of God through faith. None of the blessings of God come through works or the privilege of the flesh. We have been dealing with only the carnal an elementary principles of the Gospel because we are faced with crude falsehoods and "Jewish fables". Soon, by the Grace of God, we will move into the deeper things of the Kingdom of God. Gal.3:29 29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Rom.2:28,29 28: For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. May the Lord give you faith according to the desires of your heart.

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10504)	1/4/1998 1:21:00 AM
From: Robert E. Hall	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Greetings Jane, << But I have never felt I was part of the seed of Abraham >> We gentiles Jane are from the seed of Abraham by faith in the promise given to Abraham in Gen 12.1-3. The SEED who came through Abraham was the Son of Promise , the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the Promised one according to Gen 12-3, who would bless ALL NATIONS of the earth. We who are born-again by His Spirit are from this Seed, that is the Lord Jesus Christ. We are seeds from this Seed. Forget about race or nationality Jane, as The Lord Jesus Christ has opened salvation to all mankind. God no longer deals with one specific nation to as he did with Israel when He made the promise to our father Abraham. Gods promises and purpose is now realized in the Body of Christ, the Church, made up from all nation and peoples. I trust this might help you Jane. Robert

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10504)	1/4/1998 5:01:00 AM
From: Chris land	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Jane, <Would you be able to agree that probably the Jews in 2nd Kings were the Children of Israel now called Jews for the first time? Is this logical? > No I would not say this is logical because in the next chapter it states this: For so it was, that the children of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, which had brought them up out of the land of Egypt, from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and had feared other gods, 2Kings 17:7 When you read the passages its clear that God is testifying against Israel and against Judah, a nation that has been divided. The word Jew was attributed to those of Judah. <And do you feel a real promise was made to you for the land between Egypt and the Euphrates?> I, with Abraham am looking for the city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Read Hebrews chapter 11( the faith chapter). All these people died in faith having never received the promise. Listen to what the scriptures say: But now they desire a better country, that is a heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for He hath prepared for them a city. It's clear these people of faith are looking for something the world cannot offer. By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son. Now consider, the scriptures do not lie, did we not just see that Abraham offered up his only begotten son Isaac? How could this be when his first born sons name was Ishmael? Look at Moses and ask yourself , did he ever enter the promised land that God had promised? Many are quick to say no because of his sin. It's true that he sinned but would God really keep him out of the real promised land? I think not, and by the way when Jesus was on the mount of tranfiguration who appeared before him, was it not Moses and Elijah? Seems to me that mount was inside of the borders of Israel. (just something to think about). We are talking about the heavenly Jerusalem which comes from above. The bottom line is, I really do not believe that God has forsaken the physical land of Israel but is, and will continue to do great things there. However there won't be anyone boasting in the flesh when He's done. I do also pray that when the nations come against Israel in the battle of Armageddon that America will not be counted as one of her foes. <It's hard to know what goes on in other people's minds, but I have never felt that I was part of the Seed of Abraham.> From the time I truly accepted Jesus, and God accepted me by Christ's merit I have felt like I am part of the seed of Abraham. I realize that I'm grafted in but almost feel like Jacob stealing the birthright from Esau because he despised it. (He came to His own and own own received him not). -chris

To: Jane Hafker who wrote (10504)	1/4/1998 10:47:00 AM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Jane, <<but I have never felt that I was part of the Seed of Abraham.>> I almost jumped out of my chair when I read that! <gg> Gal. 3:6-9 6 Even so Abraham BELIVED GOD AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith that are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, forseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the Gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "ALL THE NATIONS SHALL BE BLESSED IN YOU." 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer. Gal. 3: 12-14 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM." 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us - for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE" - 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. When we accept Jesus our Saviour we become sons of Abraham also!! Together in Jesus, Bob