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To: koan who wrote (1701)12/11/2016 7:34:26 AM
From: one_less  Respond to of 362068
 
>>>"I agree that morals are relative."<<<

The referent of any morally relative act or utterance is an idea which is absolute.



To: koan who wrote (1701)12/11/2016 7:59:05 AM
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Yesterday I asked a question that you did not answer. It would be helpful to my understanding of your view if you would.

Everybody in the country has a certain right to the entire wealth of the country, of the tribe. Everyone in the country contributes to the success of the society.

Oh, really? How is that? On what basis do you assert that?
You didn't react to this either.
There is a gigantic body of knowledge on what makes a society function best for most.

Ah, utilitarianism. I prefer protecting the rights of all.
Are you interested in all or most? If it's most, which most?

This discussion stemmed from my post offering a suggestion to mitigate the problem of surplus of factory workers. We seem to share the expectation of a future with fewer jobs. Your response was about welfare programs but seemed more focused on welfare programs as a moral obligation than as a solution to the problem of work. Of course, welfare is a possible way of handling lack of employment opportunities. Some kind of guaranteed income is often mentioned, that being a type of welfare program. You also mention education. Not sure if you are thinking of that as a welfare program or a moral obligation or a solution to the problem of surplus workers. Perhaps you could clarify that. Are we talking about what to do about the changing work environment or about the morality of property rights?

I think pretty much the entire world would say that this is the most moral we have ever been.

A year or two ago I would have quickly agreed with that. Right now I'm not so sure. There has been much accomplished in my lifetime and I had perceived an ongoing upward trend line. But there are many whose moral values conflict with mine and with each others'. That favorable trendline does not seem so inevitable right now.



To: koan who wrote (1701)12/11/2016 10:40:50 AM
From: bentway  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 362068
 
>>So we all agree on some points of morality<<

You and I might, but, no, we all don't.