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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rarebird who wrote (4196)	1/1/2017 10:04:50 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 354292

>>>The question I would like to see raised on this thread rather than playing the political game of putting down one party over another, is to try to figure out what went wrong. <<< You made a good list of things that have been bad for the Dems. However, nothing went wrong in the normative sense. We are witnessing the outcome of what the voting body has naturally become. People seem surprised to see that their party is a reflection of what they, as essential partisans have habitually become, and consequently how the party gets identified and in a major way how it functions. Aristotle: If you want to become something, act as if that is what you already were ... then it will become natural to you. You want courage, behave courageously. There is nothing courageous on the part of a leftist to bash Trump or the Republicans. Far from being courageous, it is just an expression of frustration that is already taken for granted, more often viewed as pettiness than empowering. It would be far more effective to engage in self examination. You want trust, behave as a trustworthy person. Tell the truth, admit to foibles or character flaws, allow valid criticism to stand, self correct when you realize your own mistake, don't spin facts, above all avoid hyperbole. Represent issues with honor and integrity.

To: Rarebird who wrote (4196)	1/2/2017 4:27:41 AM
From: rxbond	1 Recommendation Recommended By i-node Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 354292

"Donald Trump won the election in spite of being a bigot of the highest order" You wanted to know what went wrong?? The democrats and bias media underestimated the US voter. They relied on the same political platform based on fabrication, fiction, intimidation and pandering to shed a negative light on their opponents and spreading the same hope for the last 100 years . What they fail to recognize were the MILLIONS of white collar voters that haven't voted for a long time on the sidelines because of all the BS and mischief behavior they have growned accustomed to in US politics, which included Republicans. Political correction and pretending was deafening ..I called them common sense voters. Then Trump, a alpha male candidate, comes along completely outside the political box, a outsider that outlandishly tells it like it is, changes everything. The whole political arena becomes unglued . Both Democrats and Republicans are threatened. Hence the fabrication, fiction, intimidation, pandering became more pronounced. Those efforts failed miserably, it exposed not only Hillary and other political officials including Republicans but also the main stream media. The voters took noticed especially those common sense voters that waited so long for someone different that spoke directly to them, as people rather than just sheep. Calling Trump a bigot, racist, Nazi, sexual predator was a BIG mistake. People did not go for it and it was added proof of the unethical nature of the whole political system. This experience manifested the political and social divisions in our country but my hopes it will change the political paradigm for the better

To: Rarebird who wrote (4196)	1/2/2017 10:15:23 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 354292

The Republicans keep on moving further to the Right, but the Democrats keep on struggling to nominate someone truly to the Left. When will they learn? Is there a true Leftist out there who can run for President (outside of Sanders) and capture the heart of the American people? The Republicans have been moving to the right at a pretty good clip. It took only a few years before those early darlings of the Tea Party were ousted for being RINOs. Whatever would make you think that the D's should counter that by moving even further left? The tradeoff is that they invigorate the lefties but lose the center. I suppose there are professionals who could estimate the gain/loss in votes. About as well as they estimated this last election, that is. The country is basically conservative outside of... Ergo, no one left of Obama, probably left of Clinton, has any shot at "capturing the heart of the American people." This is not a progressive country. No one can sell it reparations and collectivism. I watch a lot of basketball. I keep hearing the announcers compliment players for letting the game come to them, not trying to force things. The D's could learn from that.