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To: Lane3 who wrote (4702)	1/4/2017 5:47:29 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 361653

As usual you make astoundingly good points that leave me without any logic by which to challenge any of them. The emotion on the radishes is interesting, though. Now, it is funny, but the first thing I ever planted was radishes, too. That's weird, as who grows radishes? But I felt no attachment to them; would never have had the depth to consider the thinning process. Moreover, we have some timber that needs to be thinned and the process is far more sterile since it is about money now. Your point # 2 really summarizes my view, but I'm not sure I have the analytical chops to be able to deal with it. Taking another approach, "Would you kill an innocent baby if you knew it could 10,000 save others?", analytically it is an easy choice but when presented with it I believe I would fail miserably to do the right thing. The answer is clear but it would require more emotional strength that I possess. That emotional tug isn't as strong in the case of abortions -- I am basically pro-choice still -- but there is a place where I say, "Hey, you were young, you made a mistake, and now you have to pay for it. Live and learn." Understanding full well the resultant child might not live up to expectations. Lord, I just don't have the answer.

To: Lane3 who wrote (4702)	1/4/2017 6:22:36 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 361653

You're a born Breatharian! Inedia (Latin for "fasting") or breatharianism /br??'??ri?n?z?m/ is the belief that it is possible for a person to live without consuming food. Breatharians claim that food, and in some cases water, are not necessary for survival, and that humans can be sustained solely by prana, the vital life force in Hinduism. Inedia - Wikipedia

To: Lane3 who wrote (4702)	1/4/2017 8:35:26 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 361653

Beautiful and persuasive story. I hope you've captured many life experiences in such an elegant manner. I'd buy the book. It even involves moral reasoning. Cull to ensure the strength of the plants to be harvested. The moral reasoning here is that sanctity of life for all radishes would weaken the goal of producing excellent results at harvest. If you had been in a gardening competition, it would ruin your chance of success if you did not cull. My parents had me help with the garden when I was little also. It was supposed to be a learning experience but I quickly realized it was a chore like mowing the lawn. I knew yard work being something no one else liked. It got me out of the house and into something I liked enough to label it a flow experience now. I spent some time as a professional gardener in my twenties and liked it also. I was able to notice that for almost any role you take on as a guardian of nature, or even just observing, there are lessons to be learned. In this case, the idea of sanctity of life vs abortion is not universally agreed upon except in specific religious congregation or in a specific feminist ethic. Even the whole of religious congregations are not committed to the sanctity of life code when it comes to a fetus, and the feminine body is not committed to the choice mandate. So sanctity in this sense, is easily dismissed. The issue then turns back to a question of rights, which as far as I can see, still can't be answered universally. Yet the idea of sanctity remains and is a seemingly necessary aspect of human nature. Certain aspects of human life and culture remain inviolable. Laws normally set those standards like, don't hang around hacking off other people's body parts for entertainment. That's an easy one. However, the idea of culling was the analogy in the story. Why do we not (at present) make any effort to cull the infirm, elderly, addicted, heinous criminals, people so severely disabled that they require constant institutional care and who are incapable of giving back, or others who we could define as a burden on society? We don't at present, even though we do have the radishes problem, because we have a regard for individual rights that is inviolable. So, we return to a question of whether or not fetus at any stage has rights.