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To: Lane3 who wrote (5606)	1/10/2017 7:55:10 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 357287

I was hoping you WERE a 'libertarian socialist'. I'd never heard of one either.

To: Lane3 who wrote (5606)	1/10/2017 8:11:00 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 357287

Did you see this bit: Rand specifically rejected the label, criticizing the burgeoning American libertarian movement as the "hippies of the right." [285] Rand's own philosophy, Objectivism, is notedly similar to libertarianism, and she accused libertarians of plagiarizing her ideas. [285] Rand stated that: All kinds of people today call themselves "libertarians," especially something calling itself the New Right, which consists of hippies who are anarchists instead of leftist collectivists; but anarchists are collectivists. Capitalism is the one system that requires absolute objective law, yet libertarians combine capitalism and anarchism. That's worse than anything the New Left has proposed. It's a mockery of philosophy and ideology. They sling slogans and try to ride on two bandwagons. They want to be hippies, but don’t want to preach collectivism because those jobs are already taken. But anarchism is a logical outgrowth of the anti-intellectual side of collectivism. I could deal with a Marxist with a greater chance of reaching some kind of understanding, and with much greater respect. Anarchists are the scum of the intellectual world of the Left, which has given them up. So the Right picks up another leftist discard. That's the libertarian movement.[286] LOL!

To: Lane3 who wrote (5606)	1/10/2017 8:18:03 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 357287

Apparently, libertarianism is a pretty big tent. Euro libertarians aren't like American libertarians and might be socialists, or even communists. Some of them are FU all authority anarchists, but then, there's all kinds of flavors of libertarian-anarchists. Here in the US, there's left libertarians and right libertarians. I learned all that today just reading Wikipedia, which is STILL one of the best things on the internet.

To: Lane3 who wrote (5606)	1/12/2017 11:22:20 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 357287

Socialist libertarian makes some sense in that it could cover people who want to share their property in common,but don't want to impose this on anyone. They might set up some commune with like minded people and try to stay out of politics otherwise or get involved only to try to protect the commune from government interference or to more generally try to reduce the level of and intrusiveness of government. But most socialists are more in to government socialism than setting up communes, or if they do set up or join a commune its to them a 2nd best solution to the government imposing socialism on everyone. That type of view is directly contradictory to libertarian thought. "Christian libertarian" isn't an oxymoron at all. Its covering two different things Christian being religious and libertarian being political. There are interpretations of Christianity that are decidedly non-libertarian, but there is no inherent conflict with Christianity in general and libertarianism. A libertarian who is Christian is a Christian libertarian ( and I suppose a Christian Libertarian if he joins the party which most libertarians don't do).