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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Katelew who wrote (7108)	1/20/2017 3:45:26 PM
From: neolib	2 Recommendations Recommended By Alex MG bentway Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 363233

I'm not being snarky, I'm pointing out stupidity where I see it. I live in rural America, and I'm engaged in both Ag retail, and my wife has Thrift store. We have watched over the last several decades as big box stores and the web have displaced much of local retail commerce. Every time you buy you are voting, and then of course many of those same people voted for Trump, all while voting for China at Home Depot, Walmart, etc. The problem is that even IF manufacturing returns to any appreciable degree (and automation will clobber the jobs there anyway) the retail mechanism has fundamentally changed as well, so those jobs aren't coming back either. Bernie Sanders was more perceptive than Donald Trump, but America will only come around by following other Countries as they learn to deal with the new reality, it won't be America leading anymore.

To: Katelew who wrote (7108)	1/20/2017 3:48:59 PM
From: Alex MG	Respond to of 363233

You are just making stuff up, which seems to be the common thread of Trump supporters As if "liberals" are to blame for corporate America and all global companies going to where ever the cheapest labor is strictly for maximizing corporate profits So you are saying Bernie Sanders is against product manufactured in America??? wow, what a spin job maybe it's because some people realize Trump is just full of shit >>Trump's goal is for more product manufactured in America. Why is that so offensive to liberals? I know it's easier said than done, but you guys seem to reject the very notion of it.

To: Katelew who wrote (7108)	1/20/2017 3:55:26 PM
From: combjelly	2 Recommendations Recommended By Alex MG bentway Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 363233

Trump's goal is for more product manufactured in America. Why is that so offensive to liberals I can't speak for others. But I think he is misleading his base on this. Either intentionally or unintentionally. If unintentionally, it means he is making promises based on the fact he doesn't understand the issues. Which is wholly believable considering he does this all the time. The fact of the matter is that there is no way to bring a lot of manufacturing back to the US that will benefit workers. It has, for the most part, been automated out of existence. And what hasn't, will be. Much has been made about Trump trying to get Apple to make the iPhone in the US. Apple has actually studied this and decided it would boost the costs by 2 to 3 times. Because American workers are not going to work for low wages and living in on premises dorm on call 24/7. Now that Foxconn is switching over to totally automated factories, that might be brought over here. Assuming that the ability of companies to work with local authorities to literally steal land isn't a factor, that is... The reality is that people will have to retrain and possibly relocated. Bring high quality jobs to the areas which lost them is very hard. Speeches and threatening companies doesn't change that. Manufacturing in the US is actually at its highest point ever. The problem is, it doesn't take as many people as it used to. I grew up in the middle of the largest petrochemical refining complex in the world. When I was a kid, a refinery would employ tens of thousands of workers. The parking lots were yuge. Now, those same refineries have a small cluster of pickups clustered around the entrance. Surrounded by acres of asphalt. Yet the refinery is more productive as it ever was. That is symbolic of the state of American manufacturing.