To: neolib who wrote (10579 ) 2/12/2017 8:20:54 PM From: one_less Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 364581 >>>"You keep dancing around the issue: Is lying to a child because you want that child to believe something you hold dear, which then results in the child growing up unable to distinguish fact from fantasy something you approve of?"""<<< There is some internal inconsistency in your proposition. You haven't qualified the lying aspect. Lying is one of my highest, if not the highest gripe I have. Lying is the act of attempting to deceive another through act or utterance. It isn't merely being misinformed, mistaken, strategizing in mortal conflict or competition, or putting on illusions for entertainment. It's definitely true that convincing toddlers that Santa is real, is lying. However, I place it on the same level as fairy tales, or the tooth fairy. Children are not able to distinguish between fantasy and reality in early childhood, which is why we need to monitor tv programing they are exposed to. Should we eliminate fantasy altogether in early childhood. How many kids do you think were irreparably harmed by believing in the tooth fairy? I don't think fantasy should be eliminated in early childhood because fantasy is one way for them to explore and learn about the dramas of life. Children don't even have the concept of lying in early childhood. I can watch "The Matrix" and suspend what I know about reality for the sake of the entertaining and somewhat enlightening movie. I wouldn't put a toddler in front of that movie. Religious parents for the most part do believe in what they are teaching their child, so their conduct doesn't qualify as a lie. Even if someone were agnostic but sent their child to Sunday school to learn principles of living because they believed those principles to be well founded, should not be considered a liar. They can always do what many do, which is to explain to their child that the mystical stuff as metaphoric. Personally, I prefer to role model what I believe are good principles and present them to my children directly but not everyone is up to that.