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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Katelew who wrote (41500)	3/18/2017 7:45:11 PM
From: John Koligman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Keep in mind premiums will soar for those 50-64 with low incomes, who look to me as if they will essentially be priced out of the market. That is the cruelty of this plan, the older folks of limited means that need insurance more than younger people in most cases get hit the hardest. Probably why Thune is already offering an amendment to increase tax credits for this group. An example from an earlier post I wrote on this thread.... As an example for you, here is what two 60 year old buyers with an income of $31,000/year in the Chicago suburbs would pay for a silver Blue Cross plan with a deductible of $500 per person and a max out of pocket cost of $1500 per person per year. This plan has copay and deductible assistance due to the income level. Subsidy is approx $1300/month. That would be roughly halved under 'RyanDontCare', while the cost of the plan would go up as the insurance companies would be allowed to charge 5 times instead of the current 3 times that of a younger buyer.... Also, the deductible and copay assistance would go away. Cost? Maybe $23,000/year with an 8k credit(and higher deductibles/out of pocket costs). Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Illinois · BlueCare Direct Silver? 102 with Advocate Silver HMO Plan ID: 36096IL0950009 Estimated monthly premium $216.83 Was: $1,522.02 Deductible $1,500 Family Total Out-of-pocket maximum $4,500 Family Total Copayments / Coinsurance Emergency room care: $600 Copay before deductible/20% Coinsurance after deductible Generic drugs: No Charge Primary doctor: $20 Specialist doctor: $40

To: Katelew who wrote (41500)	3/18/2017 10:33:04 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42652

The polls are confusing, too. Perhaps because those polled are confused. Did you see that article about that idiot who was so grateful to Trump and God when her son lost his job and his premium dropped to next to nothing thanks to Trumpcare? Healthcare systems ARE, indeed, complex. The polls have always been confusing because the majority disliked ObamaCare but for different reasons. The R's disliked it because it came from the D's and because it was yet another welfare system and because they didn't get to keep their coverage. But half the D's disliked it, too, because it wasn't single payer. Hard, scratch that, impossible to tease anything useful out of the polls. If the CBO is correct in saying that premiums might drop 10%, I'm inclined to think that is too small to embark on a complete overhaul that might have a brand new set of problems surface down the road. Indeed, especially given the margin of error.