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To: Lane3 who wrote (15855)	4/22/2017 8:19:44 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 365155

I beg your pardon-lol. That is right and no one is advocating socialism for the production of goods. We will leave that to capitalism. I have said over and over all western democracies are democratic socialism / welfare states. But we do collectively create government to own and administer public services e.g. the military, jails, police, and fire department, city and state administraton buildings are owned collectively. own those facilities collectively and administer services collectively. Definition of socialism. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. Urban Dictionary: socialist

To: Lane3 who wrote (15855)	4/22/2017 11:41:33 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 365155

>>The notion of public services isn't remotely socialist.<< They could ALL be 'privatized'. We COULD all have a meter on our toilets! We could pay FedEx $10 to send a letter. Since they aren't, they're socialist.

To: Lane3 who wrote (15855)	4/27/2017 3:23:15 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 365155

The notion of public services isn't remotely socialist. I wouldn't go that far. Its generally not considered socialist, and there is some utility in making a distinction here, but it actually fits the definition. Its "social" (generally and in this case government) ownership of the means of production. Even if one was going to exclude provision of public goods (which would include services) by the government, from the umbrella of socialism, public goods aren't anything provided by the government, or traditionally provided by the government (see econlib.org ). Water and education for example are excludable and rivalrous. I'd call provision of those by the government socializing that area of the economy (at least if its overwhelmingly provided by the government, even more so if there was a government monopoly), even if the government running the police and the army (better examples of public goods) isn't considered socialism.