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To: TimF who wrote (16434)	4/27/2017 3:48:00 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 365177

Water and education for example are excludable and rivalrous. I'd call provision of those by the government socializing that area of the economy I understand the distinction you are making and considered it before I posted but... there is some utility in making a distinction here Ancient cultures had water systems and sewage systems. There then comes a point where the term, "socialism," is meaningless for our purposes.

To: TimF who wrote (16434)	4/27/2017 3:49:55 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 365177

Uh, you do know that the concept of water as a utility goes back to at least the Roman Republic? That, in fact, is necessary in a city of any size in any time period? As to education, I will grant you that it only goes back a few hundred years. Before that, it was the exclusive province of the wealthy. So by arguing that those things fall under the umbrella of 'socialism" and that socialism is a drag on the economy and should be avoided, means you wind up with a society that consists of subsistence farmers with a wealthy overclass that might as well be royalty, given that about the only way to enter that overclass is to inherit your wealth.

To: TimF who wrote (16434)	4/27/2017 3:51:48 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 365177

Water and education for example are excludable and rivalrous. I'd call provision of those by the government socializing that area of the economy I understand the distinction you are making and considered it before I posted but... there is some utility in making a distinction here Ancient cultures had water systems and sewage systems. It's a characteristic of civilization regardless of the form of government. So there's a point where the term, "socialism," is meaningless for our purposes. That a country could be both a monarchy and socialist boggles the mind.