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To: Lane3 who wrote (47177)	12/2/2017 1:27:03 PM
From: zzpat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 356471

My Muslim friends tell me there's no such thing as Sharia Law. No two Muslim countries have the exact same laws which would be necessary if Sharia Law existed.

To: Lane3 who wrote (47177)	12/2/2017 3:36:11 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 356471

That's how we leave ourselves open to the European mess, not by excluding Muslims who subscribe to our approach. No kidding. In Europe, the tendency is to segregate Muslims into more or less walled off communities. Which breeds a lot of resentment and is at the heart of a lot of the Muslim violence there. Here, at least until relatively recently, they were welcomed into the greater community. There just isn't the degree of multi-generational resentment that fuels a lot of Europe's problems. Just google the term "Eurabia", which has been around for a long time now. Of course, there are those here who want to institute a similar system of generational resentment.

To: Lane3 who wrote (47177)	12/2/2017 11:09:13 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 356471

Your post is well thought out and I have to admit that I do struggle with the Muslim issue. The primary problem with comparing Christianity with Islam is that they are fundamentally different religions. This country was founded by revolutionarily tolerant Christians and those Christians embedded "Separation of Church and State" in the First Amendment of our Constitution. Christians have for the most part respected that about this country. As a whole and a generality, we are a VERY tolerant people. Of course, we have our loonies like the KKK and the far right Evangelicals. But they are a minority. Christianity in general has come a long way since the medieval ages of the Inquisition. In short, Christianity has evolved and Western Values, based on Christianity has ushered in an era of unprecedented wealth and world order. Islam on the other hand doesn't seem to have evolved at all. Terrorism around the world and 95% the associated deaths are due to Islamic terrorists. Islam by its definition is not just a religion, but also a system of laws and governance. There is no such thing as a separation of church and state within Islam. On the contrary, within Islam Quran and Hadith, the Church and State are one and the same thing. But listen, don't take my word for it. Let's just compare what the Constitution says to what Sharia Law says about Church and State: First Amendment: Freedom of religion Constitution: First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ” Shariah: "Those who reject Islam must be killed. If they turn back (from Islam), take hold of them and kill them wherever you find them." Quran 4:89 ; "Whoever changed his [Islamic] religion, then kill him" Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:84:57. In historic and modern Shariah states, Shariah law enforces dhimmi status (second-class citizen, apartheid-type laws) on non- Muslims, prohibiting them from observing their religious practices publicly, building or repairing churches, raising their voices during prayer or ringing church bells; if dhimmi laws are violated in the Shariah State, penalties are those used for prisoners of war: death, slavery, release or ransom.(o9.14, o11.0-o11.11, Umdat al-salik).