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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (56766)2/17/2018 10:33:26 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 358853
 
>>>a ban doesn't help...where's the data?. <<<

In Chicago.



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (56766)2/17/2018 11:00:34 PM
From: i-node1 Recommendation

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James Seagrove

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>> And when did the right figure out that a ban doesn't help

I can't speak for "the right", but it is intuitively obvious when there are 300 million guns in this country and a true ban requires a constitutional amendment, it isn't a viable option to solve a murder problem.



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (56766)2/17/2018 11:01:33 PM
From: i-node1 Recommendation

Recommended By
James Seagrove

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Where is the data that suggests it WILL solve any problem?



To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (56766)2/18/2018 4:51:23 AM
From: one_less  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 358853
 
>>>...where's the data?. <<<

It appears that in areas of responsible gun ownership there is less murder.

Anyway about 10k gun murders per year in the US (mostly by criminals and out of control drunks) It would be better if it were zero but I doubt you would see that number reduced even if guns were illegal. Many think the number would be much larger because criminals would be emboldened by the notion of a disarmed civilian population.

However there is no argument about alcohol. Yet you freqently endorse it.

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  • 5.3 million adults - 36% of those under correctional supervision at the time - were drinking at the time of their conviction offense
  • 40% of state prisoners convicted of violent crimes were under the influence of alcohol at the time of their offense - the more violent the crime, the greater the likelihood that alcohol was involved
  • 2.5 Million Alcohol-Related Deaths Worldwide- Annually

    Based on the analyses of 100 individual country profiles, The World Health Organization (WHO) has released The Global Status Report on Alcohol and Health focused on analyzing available evidence on alcohol consumption, consequences and policy interventions at global, regional and national levels.

    The harmful use of alcohol is a global problem which compromises both individual and social development. It causes harm far beyond the physical and psychological health of the drinker, including the harm to the well-being and health of people around the drinker. Alcohol is associated with many serious social and developmental issues, including violence, child neglect and abuse, and absenteeism in the workplace.

    The harmful use of alcohol (defined as excessive use to the point that it causes damage to health) has many implications on public health as demonstrated in the following key findings:

    • Harmful use of alcohol results in the death of 2.5 million people annually, causes illness and injury to millions more, and increasingly affects younger generations and drinkers in developing countries.

    • Nearly 4% of all deaths are related to alcohol. Most alcohol-related deaths are caused by alcohol result from injuries, cancer, cardiovascular diseases and liver cirrhosis.

    • 6.2% of male deaths are related to alcohol, compared to 1.1% of female deaths.

    • 320 000 young people aged 15-29 years die annually, from alcohol-related causes, resulting in 9% of all deaths in that age group.

    • Almost 50% of men and two-thirds of women do not consume alcohol.

    • Harmful alcohol use is one of four common risk factors, along with tobacco use, poor diet and physical inactivity, for the four main groups of noncommunicable diseases (NCDs) – cardiovascular diseases, cancer, chronic lung diseases and diabetes.

    • Alcohol is the world's third largest risk factor for disease burden; it is the leading risk factor in the Western Pacific and the Americas and the second largest in Europe.

    The harmful use of alcohol is also associated with several infectious diseases like HIV/AIDS, tuberculosis and sexually transmitted infections (STIs). This is because alcohol consumption weakens the immune system, reduces inhibitions, effects judgment and has a negative effect on patients' adherence to antiretroviral treatment.

    Alcohol Impact Measured in Potential Years of Life Lost Due to Premature Death:

    As part of the research, the following chart from the Global Health Risks report compares the top global health concerns using the disability-adjusted life year (DALY). DALY extends the concept of potential years of life lost due to premature death to include equivalent years of "healthy" life lost by virtue of being in states of poor health or disability.

    As you can see below, of 19 health concerns, alcohol is ranked #3, and is greater than unsafe water, high blood pressure, tobacco, obesity and illicit drugs (ranked #18).



    Figure: Global percentages of DALYs1 attributed to 19 leading risk factors by income group.

    Source: Global Health Risks (2009)



    To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (56766)2/18/2018 5:04:59 AM
    From: one_less  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 358853
     
    >>>...where's the data?. <<<

    * Justifiable homicides against liberals in liberal cities are more likely committed by conservatives than liberals.

    * Then there is this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/08/free-guns-houston_n_3408632.html
    "Armed Citizen Project, a Houston nonprofit that is giving away free shotguns to single women and residents of neighborhoods with high crime rates."

    * Murders of liberals in liberal cities are more likely committed by liberals who are frustrated, having grown up with no strong stable male role models, and who've replaced that need with the strength of male groupings (like gangs) which tend toward violence.

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    A study was performed by a nonpartisan research group, Bay Area Center for Voting Research (BACVR). All cities were broken down according to the Conservative % of Total Vote and the Liberal % of Total Vote to determine which were most Conservative or Liberal.

    alt.coxnewsweb.com

    Detroit, Michigan and Provo, Utah each top the Bay Area Center for Voting Research’s (BACVR) lists of the nation’s most liberal and conservative cities, respectively. Surveying United States cities with a population over 100,000, BACVR found that the top twenty-five most liberal and conservative cities in America come from a wide variety of regions across the nation.

    Of the most liberal cities, Detroit heads up the list with 93.96% of voters casting votes for liberal candidates in the 2004 presidential election, followed by Gary, Indiana with 93.08% of the voting going to liberal presidential candidates, and Berkeley, California in third with a 92.76% total for liberals.

    Other cities in the top twenty five in descending order are the following: the District of Columbia; Oakland, CA; Inglewood, CA; Newark, NJ; Cambridge, MA; San Francisco, CA; Flint, MI; Cleveland, OH; Hartford, CT; Paterson, NJ; Baltimore, MD; New Haven, CT; Seattle, WA; Chicago, IL; Philadelphia, PA; Birmingham, AL; St. Louis, MO; New York, NY; Providence, RI; Minneapolis, MN; Boston, MA; and Buffalo, NY.

    Provo, UT heads up the top twenty-five conservative cities with 86% of the vote going to conservative presidential candidates in 2004, followed by Lubbock, TX at 74.81% conservative support, and Abilene, TX in third with 72.80% of its voters choosing conservative candidates.

    The remaining cities in the top twenty-five in descending order are: Hialeah, FL; Plano, TX;
    Colorado Springs, CO; Gilbert, AZ; Bakersfield, CA; Lafayette, LA; Orange, CA; Escondido,
    CA; Allentown, PA; Mesa, AZ; Arlington, TX; Peoria, AZ; Cape Coral, FL; Garden Grove, CA;
    Simi Valley, CA; Corona, CA; Clearwater, FL; West Valley City, UT; Oklahoma City, OK;
    Overland Park, KS; Anchorage, AK; and Huntington Beach, CA.