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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (1060059)	3/12/2018 8:22:19 PM
From: TopCat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572300

Believing in God because of Pascal's Wager is not faith.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (1060059)	3/13/2018 12:41:56 AM
From: THE WATSONYOUTH	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572300

Once you answer that question, you'll figure out why conservatives reject environmentalism. ...has it ever occurred to you that the definition of responsible environmentalism might be radically different between conservatives and libtards??..........who says libtards get to define enviromentalism for me?.......I consider myself a conservative but do not reject responsible environmentalism.

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (1060059)	3/13/2018 5:53:04 PM
From: RetiredNow	Respond to of 1572300

LOL. Yes, that's true. You know, I used to have a friend that I worked with who is a self-proclaimed atheist. I'm a Catholic, so we used to get into some really interesting debates. He was also an engineer and so believed he had the market cornered on being scientific and logical in his thinking. I remember one debate we had where he was getting high and mighty with me and he was touting his engineering credentials as his debate tactic on why his logic was better than mine and that's why Atheists are smarter than Catholics. So I asked him a few simple questions: * So being very precise, atheists believe that God does not exist. Correct? He said, "Yes." * So how can you know that? If you are a scientist, then I can see why you say there is no proof God exists, but then there is also no proof that he does not exist. Isn't that the logical conclusion? He said, "Yes, that's what I said." * I said, "That's not what you said. You said God does not exist and that you are an engineer and scientist, and therefore, your logic trumps the logic of a Catholic, who takes God on faith. So going back to my previous statement, if there is no proof that God does NOT exist, then at best you can say you are an agnostic, not an atheist. Because agnostics believe there is no proof, so the question is unknowable, except by faith." So my conclusion was threefold: * It is a logical fallacy to say that engineers and scientists are smarter than other professions just because that's the profession they've chosen. I can list many other professions where people are just as smart as engineers and scientists. * Those who claim they are atheists either don't know the definition of the word or don't know how to think logically. Agnosticism makes logical sense, but atheism does not. * And last conclusion, to quote my old religion teacher and Catholic Priest, "Let's leave discussions of faith for religion class and discussions of science for science class. There does not have to be a conflict between the two." Smart man. That's how I've lived my life. I believe in God, but I have made my living off of statistics and the use of the scientific method in business. I see no conflict.