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To: Lane3 who wrote (66175)	4/11/2018 8:28:43 PM
From: neolib	1 Recommendation Recommended By bentway Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 357993

I don't think he was claiming the holes were in that article, he was saying that article knocks holes in what has been a long standing and very dear pet theory on the right, made popular IIRC by The Bell Curve. The left has long claimed that the problem in the black community are largely driven by economic issues, while the right has claimed otherwise. The fact that rural whites are starting to look like the black community should be a broad hint, and indeed the basis seems to be economic stress. The pathology of choice for the given community is completely irrelevant.

To: Lane3 who wrote (66175)	4/11/2018 9:51:00 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 357993

Right. But the changes were better documented. Poor job prospects led to the deterioration, not the other way around. 40 years ago, blue collar workers were able to live the American dream. As their incomes stagnated and then declined, the pathologies cited started to appear. It wasn't so much moral failures that led to their situation as it was the lack of stable, well paying jobs in those particular locations. You really can't depend on Murray's analysis of the data he presents. He has his own agenda.