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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (66906)	4/15/2018 12:55:23 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 361308

...The most glaringly obvious example of this is FDR’s appointment of James Byrnes and Hugo Black to the Supreme Court. James Byrnes, a South Carolinian and the only man to serve in all three branches of government, likely would’ve been a Klansmen were it not his ties to Catholicism. Hugo Black was a Klansmen who admitted on his deathbed he would’ve joined any organization to get votes. Black participated in Klan events throughout Alabama. As a highly successful Klan lawyer, he was known for using epithets such as “n*gger woman” during proceedings. Black admitted to joining for self-serving purposes, and later said FDR told him “some of his best friends and supporters were strong members.” Republicans were appalled at FDR’s appointments, but his cavorting with well-known racists went on. As D’Souza writes, when he became President, a pact he made required him to block anti-lynching legislation. It wasn’t a huge surprise when lynching rates skyrocketed, and FDR proved this with his nonchalant attitude during the whole ordeal. Did this darling of modern progressivism lighten up on his horrific racism? Not a bit. His friends made another demand. This time, they wanted the South to receive more than its share in the New Deal programs, and that those programs exclude blacks. The Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), which aided construction along the Tennessee River, was adored by southern Democrats, as was the New Deal provision that jobs typically performed by blacks be excluded from federal benefits... ...Some New Deal programs benefited black Americans, who were among the hardest hit during the Great Depression, and thus, caused them to switch parties. By 1936, 75 percent of blacks became Democrats, whereas pre-1936, 90 percent of blacks voted Republican. Democrats were dumbfounded: how had they gotten so lucky as to gain the trust of the people they were hoping to oppress? Franklin Delano Roosevelt... townhall.com Of course that was back in the 30s. (or 40s if your talking about internment) Racism was more common then, and FDR was not the worst by any means. Not even among 20th century presidents. That title would probably go to Wilson, and among non-Democrats might go to Teddy Roosevelt (a "progressive Republican" except when he left to form the Progressive Party, commonly known as the Bull Moose party) who said things like - “the most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian" and "I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are" in the late 1800s to early 1900s.

To: TimF who wrote (66906)	4/15/2018 10:13:01 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 361308

You know ,why don't you try to understand things instead of just playing a game of gotcha? Doesn't it say something that the north and west didn't vote against it! That it was the south. And it was totally conservative and liberal because at the time the Democratic party had conservative politicians and they voted against it. So like I said liberals voted for it. After the 1964 civil rights vote the conservative Democrats became Republicans. That is why LBJ said: "we just lost the south for a generation. And today the the two parties are two separate populations. The most liberal Republican is more conservative than the most conservative Democrat. And no African Americans do not vote for Republicans because that is who has been making life hard on them. It is not complicated. People who have been beaten down know who is their enemy. Was it southern conservatives who marched with MLK? No it was liberals and the Democratic party is where we live. You pick two liberals from deep southern states obviously conflicted by their history and political situation. Because for the most part they were the one's who voted against it. Members of congress from the west coast or the north from either party didn't vote against it. If you wanted to say it wasn't a Republican vs. Democrat thing in but a southern vs non-southern thing back in 1964 the Dems just happened to have most of the southern seats, then you would have a good argument. (About the vote at least, not perhaps to the extent you think more broadly, there was plenty of racism in the north, or just about anywhere in the country) But that's not what you said, you said it was a conservative vs. liberal thing, and it wasn't.