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To: koan who wrote (67152)	4/16/2018 5:53:59 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362054

It is the same issue, the 1964 civil rights act and who voted for it and who voted against. That's the context of the the issue, not the specific issue. The specific issue was your claim that all the liberals voted for and all the votes against were all from conservatives. That claim is false. I don't think we should blast Democrats because they voted for it in lower percentages. That was over a half century ago, most of them voted for it anyway, and there are principled constitutional reasons to vote against it that have nothing to do with being racist or pandering to racism (which caused Goldwater (R) and Sam Ervin (D) to vote against it and which would probably cause me to vote against it as well. But your scenario of it being a bunch of saintly liberals overcoming the objections of a bunch of evil conservatives just doesn't fit the facts very well. I presented some actual information about liberals voting for it. You present information about southern members of congress vs northern (or maybe northern and western, I don't think "the south" here includes people representing Los Angeles or Santa Fe) members of congress. It seems to me that your doing one of four things. 1 - Your claiming that "southern" is exactly the same thing as "conservative" which is just silly. 2 - Your asserting that southern is such a good proxy for conservative, that the overlap is near total and when you want to talk about one you can just talk about the other. That isn't silly, but as I've shown so far in this conversation its wrong about senators in 1964, and I'd submit it generally wrong. Maybe overall the south is and/or was more conservative than the rest of the country, but not to the extent that geographical data can be substituted for ideological or vis versa. 3 - Your just not paying any attention to anything 4 - Your trolling and being dishonest. I don't think its four, and I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and pick the most reasonable option and assume that its 2. But #2 is also wrong. Despite some general trend for the South to be more conservative, you have now and long have had liberals in/from the South and conservatives in/from the North. That's true both in general, or limiting consideration to the relevant case of members of congress in 1964.

To: koan who wrote (67152)	4/16/2018 6:08:53 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 362054

psychobabble [sahy-koh-bab-uh l] noun 1. writing or talk using jargon from psychiatry or psychotherapy without particular accuracy or relevance. dictionary.com dictionary.com Psychobabble (a portmanteau of " psychology" or " psychoanalysis" and " babble") is a form of speech or writing that uses psychological jargon, buzzwords, and esoteric language to create an impression of truth or plausibility. en.wikipedia.org Definition of psychobabble 1 : a predominantly metaphorical language for expressing one's feelings 2 a : psychological jargon b : trite or simplistic language derived from psychotherapy merriam-webster.com Psychobabble is speech that relies heavily on psychological jargon and expressions. It is often used by individuals who have little to no training in psychology. The word is derived from a combination of the words “psychology,” or the study of the mind and behavior, and “babble,” which is to utter meaningless or unintelligible sounds. goodtherapy.org language using a lot of words and expressions taken from psychology dictionary.cambridge.org Nounpsychobabble ( uncountable) The jargon of psychology and psychoanalysis, especially when regarded as trite or trivial. [from 20th c.] 1977, "Psychobabble", Time, 3 Dec 1977: The psychological patter of the '70s is as inescapable as Muzak and just as numbing: Are you relating? Going through heavy changes? In touch with yourself and doing your own thing? Are you up front, or just hung up and uptight? Boston Writer R.D. (for Richard Dean) Rosen calls it psychobabble, and in his new book by that title (Atheneum, $8.95) sees America awash in soggy therapeutic clichés. 2007, Max Brooks, "Saving Mel Brooks", Mens Health, 22.2: He didn't want to hear any new-age psychobabble, like " find your inner peace." en.wiktionary.org