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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: i-node who wrote (71008)	5/10/2018 5:50:17 PM
From: Lane3	3 Recommendations Recommended By abuelita bentway Wharf Rat Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 364683

Why would anyone want to be bound by an agreement (especially one harmful to themselves) for which there is no downside in getting out? We can try to make a new agreement if it could be beneficial to us. How is continuing the agreement harmful beyond your distaste? You have not said. You've said that there's no downside in getting out. You haven't justified that. I know it's tough to prove a negative, but you haven't addressed any of the claimed downsides. Why do you think all the other players and most of the observers are so exercised up if there are no downsides? Surely you don't think it's all because that's all about sticking up for Obama. What makes you think a new agreement could be made in a reasonable timeframe given how long the current one was a work in progress and given that now all the players besides our president are pissed and distrustful? You wrote "try." You must realize that a new agreement from scratch is unlikely. So what makes you think that no agreement is preferable to the old agreement? Which brings me back to the first point, which was how is continuing it harmful. no such agreement short of our total control of the other party's nuclear ambitions makes sense. What do you think the chances are of getting such an agreement through diplomacy? Surely not something greater than zero? But where is the values in staying in it? The value of staying in it is that it keeps Iran at bay for now and provides time to come up with something else, if need be. Macron already gave Trump a chance to save face and a commitment to work on something better, for heaven's sake. And that, since we already paid for it, we don't look stupid. And that we don't create all sorts of wicked externalities in the vacuum. You've got your downsides backwards. The only downside of staying in is that Trump has to dance a bit. There is no downside to the US or our allies across the pond. Maybe you should emulate Trump and go out in the backyard and find a hornets' nest to hit with a stick...