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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (71011)	5/10/2018 6:29:31 PM
From: i-node	2 Recommendations Recommended By FJB gamesmistress Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 364701

First of all, no one should be left with the impression that making a deal with a rogue American president creates an agreement that will be allowed to stand. As late as 2016 Americans still opposed it 2-1. We’d be idiots to allow ourselves to be led around by our noses like that. Secondly, Iran has repeatedly supported terrorism in the MidEast and vowed the destruction of Israel. They should and will not be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. Whether it is Israel or the US that isn’t going to happen. Finally, the new centrifuges allowed under the agreement would allow them to begin building nuclear weapons in 2025, seven short years from now. This is an ironclad guarantee the MidEast cannot be a safe place forever. We have too many nuclear armed states today and we should not be so stupid as to allow someone like Iran to have them. Period. It is our call because we have to make that call, no one else can. Europe can get on board if they want to or go to Hell. We cannot be a country of idiots and expect all the other countries on the planet to be nice guys. Some just aren’t.

To: Lane3 who wrote (71011)	5/11/2018 9:43:57 AM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 364701

The value of staying in it is that it keeps Iran at bay for now and provides time to come up with something else, if need be. Macron already gave Trump a chance to save face and a commitment to work on something better, for heaven's sake. Iran is aching (and ripe) for internal political change. One of the unspoken goals of the agreement...well, you can fill in the rest...the odds of an outcome along such lines has been made more difficult now...conservatives are emboldened, iran-russia ties are stronger, Israel is dropping bombs in Syria, Saudis are talking about their own nukes...and we see flag burning in the streets of iranian cities already, led by clerics' example. Al

To: Lane3 who wrote (71011)	5/11/2018 10:38:37 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 364701

>>The value of staying in it is that it keeps Iran at bay for now and provides time to come up with something else, if need be. Until 2025. Til a first grader makes it to 7th. What is the benefit in that? It is important for the world to see that we will not be bound to a poor agreement that doesn’t have the support of our public. We don’t operate that way.

To: Lane3 who wrote (71011)	5/11/2018 11:43:31 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 364701

What the right wing has not figured out is that Trump will NEVER get as good a deal with North Korea that Obama got with Iran. I would bet my first born on that one. The Iran deal was amazingly good and only a dunderhead would try to rip it up. But most of us know Trump is the ultimate fool! The right wing usually has no idea what they are talking about. They usually just grab some right wing talking points'/mud and throw it on the wall like the good true believer soldier they are. In fact I think most of them are throwing it at liberals in their mind. I doubt 50% of Trump supporters could name all seven continents, let alone know the details of the Iran deal!