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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: i-node who wrote (76557)	6/10/2018 3:38:44 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 354178

..Interestingly, even Obama has said that Obamacare was drawn from Romneycare, the Massachusetts plan championed by then-Governor Mitt Romney. But Romneycare was itself derived from the Chafee / Grassley / Durenberger / Hatch Republican alternative to the Clinton plan. The essence of Obamacare is a structure devised in 1993-94 by those Republican senators, then rejected and renounced in apocalyptic terms by Grassley and Hatch. (Durenberger, retired from the Senate and a genuine expert on health policy and reform, took a very different tack from outside the body.)..

To: i-node who wrote (76557)

6/10/2018 9:06:28 PM

From: koan

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Well post an outline for a replacement! You can't, there is none!

The Republicans are all hot air.

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Lane, it started in March, 2009. I never saw anything to suggest otherwise.

No doubt, Dems were DREAMING for years, but the law making began when Ibama called his bogus summit. The vast majority of the time until passage was, IIRC, spent waiting on getting the right combination of legislators and paying off the holdouts.

Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see it as quite the effort you do. Obviously, the staff people drafting the language spent a lot of time.

You know for certain I don’t want to see single payer, but I don’t see that as the default outcome.

To: i-node who wrote (76557)	6/11/2018 5:45:29 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 354178

Dems were DREAMING for years They were not dreaming of Obamacare. They were dreaming of single payer. Obamacare was the kludge that resulted from dreams meeting reality, the product of what was doable, a design by committee. You know for certain I don’t want to see single payer, but I don’t see that as the default outcome. And you know for certain that my expressions do not derive from advocacy for single payer. The reason it's the default is that there is no competition. The only competition for single payer is what's left of Obamacare and efforts are underway to destroy that. If there were other alternative approaches out there beyond selling insurance across state lines and health savings accounts, we would have heard of them. I see absolutely no indication that anyone is working on coming up with a replacement once the vestigial Obamacare has officially bit the dust. As we have discussed many times, Obamacare has solidified public expectations of something more generous than the status quo ante. That Trump can pull something out of his hat is magical thinking. Hence, the default. Either come up with something else or get used to single payer. And if they don't come up with some alternative scheme, the credit or the blame for single payer will be on the R's because they ceded the issue.