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Pastimes : And The 7th Angel Sounded -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (248)	1/14/1998 11:19:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 609

Well, keep this in mind. The word "tribulation" is seen no more after the angel explains to John that this huge multitude no man, including John, could even guess at, and they were all people he did not recognize at all. After that there is a silence in Heaven as everyone mourns, including this huge multitude, and then the angel chosen to let the games begin, as they say, mixes the ball of fire from the altar of the Most High God and throws it on earth. After that the word tribulation does not appear, but 17 pages of horror does. I say I don't want or like to debate this, but in asking questions I am doing just that. So, I do like to discuss this, I just don't like being judged because I don't explain these scriptures away with an explanation someone else gives me that makes no sense to me in the first place. Who are these people, and why does the angel or 24 elder member, I beleive, tell John these are humans that were instantly removed from great tribulation (not THE Great Tribultation. Such words do not exist as a name of a period of time in the Bible. Nor does the word tribulation show up in Rev. after Rev. 7 explanation ot John). So, who are these people? And who comes back with Jesus on ten thousand times ten thousands of people, not angels, and all of them on horses? Doesn't it seem ludicrous the angels of god if that is the explanation one must give to explain it away, would be riding horses? Or does it make sense that millions of martyrs who used horses exclusively, as did Jesus, come back on horses. Kind of a fitting tribute to a strain of animal that has been horribly brutilized by humans since the beginning of time, isn't it? All those poor war horses for milleniums, and worked to death and starved to death creatures escorting the Lord and His people back. I love it. But can't see angels on horseback, sorry. Just too strange. So who are these people on horses on the Great Day of the Lord? Provided of course we believe that the rapture and the DAy of the Lord are the same thing, and that is what Thes. II speaks of. The final return of Jesus, not a catching up in the clouds. I am just easily confused, maybe. I don't know. And why is a rapture even mentioned if it is going to happen after a huge blood bath of slaughter of what seems like mostly all of the followers of Jesus? Why bother at all. Seems to rather defeat the purpose doesn't it? My problem is that when you guys get finished with creating a whole scenario out of one sentence in Thes. by Paul, not given the REVELATION of the end times in the first place--Johnwas given the REVELATION OF THE END TIMES. We dismiss John completely, grab one sentence from Paul, twist it from the final day of the return of Jesus to rule the Earth into a catching up in the clouds--no correlation there and if so, non-sensical to me--what is left is not worthy of believing in in the first place. Why don't we all just drop the whole idea? If we did we could get back to the only purpose now facing us, which is true--getting ready to face a horrible bloody death of some kind by satanists who love killing Christians who believe in Jesus. And all of this because God just wants to see it ONE MORE TIME. He hasn't had enough, according to those who find an early catching up out of character with God's personality. Why not erase the idea, ignore Jesus's words about a catching up, and spend our time just maybe telling the unsaved about Jesus. These are good questions, I think. I hope they are not taken as a cause for dispute, it's just that if any person could logically explain these things so that it truely makes sense, and is not something hammered to fit like Emile does with all scripture pertaining obviously to genetic Jews of the first promise, then I will be enlightened on this subject, and will be grateful I finally see the light. I'm serious. All of these debates on the catching up are counter-productive if there is no possible indication of a catching up, but only the return of Jesus Christ on the Final Day. Then, dear people, we are in deep hot water. Up to the necks.