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To: Thomas Haegin who wrote (834)1/14/1998 3:14:00 PM
From: Mohan Marette  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9980
 
<<<In general, I kind of doubt whether Moodys or any of the other agencies will ever downgrade ahead of problems.>>>

So why does anybody need this people,their ratings,and their soverign reports?? Hell, you and I can do that after the fact now can't we? But then the porblem is nobody would listen to us, I suppose, humm go figure.



To: Thomas Haegin who wrote (834)1/14/1998 4:55:00 PM
From: Worswick  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 9980
 
Tomas in general I agree with you about Moody's et all negative words causing a real hit in these markets right now. You are also right about looking at the "credit watch" for coming clues.

At that I was perplexed in the conference call at the equivocating and the surprised tones of the panelists. They seemed as surpised as anyone else on the ski jump. This tone...in regard to the institutional investors outrage and anger. After all who was it who had taken the gas pipe and inhaled carbon monoxide? The institutional investor.

Typically, there are few reporting requirements of our American insurance companies as to "damaged" assets. IMHO. "They" will bury the deteriroated/deteriorating paper in their portfolios. Nuclear waste. But in these companies the guy who bought this stuff will always be referred to as, "Hey, there he is. Look at him. Ask John.(heh, heh) He bought two hundred million worth of Indonesian wallpaper."

I am glad that Mobius looks at bonds. I am glad that you are a follower of Mobius.



To: Thomas Haegin who wrote (834)1/14/1998 5:04:00 PM
From: Sam  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 9980
 
Thomas,
"I think one cannot compare this event to Barings because with Peregrine it was a loan that caused them the problem, as far as I know."
Is my [dim?] understanding correct that they loaned $250 million to a taxi company? Does this make any sense at all? Or do I have my "fact" all screwed up?
Sam