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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (10726)	1/14/1998 1:29:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

I am who you are responding to: Alan Bob put forth a loving heart you are not the one who will win souls to Jesus. The same argument can be tossed back at you. You have a problem being a Christian is that not an obsession with you? since if everyone who will not agree with you are going to Hell. We are to spread the word that Jesus has paid the price for our sins and nothing more, we are NOT on this earth to lay Judgement on other people PERIOD. This whole thing to me is insane, I feel that any damnation of anyone by people is lunacy. Bob what does Anti-semitic mean give me your definition of it. Your the one who seems to have an obsession of the entire Church becoming Jewish. WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE STOP CALLING JEWS SATANIST'S AND CHRIST KILLERS. If you were to say this to any other race I would be just as upset. Do you agree with Emile on this issue or not? Yes or No To be fair to you here is your entire Email. Hi Alan, I was going to post this but it got too personal so I am e-mailing instead. You must understand me I am not the least bit anti-semitic but I see something unhealthy in all this "wrangling about words".I don't know exactly how to put this so as not to offend you but you seem obsessed with the fact you are Jewish. The reason your attitude puzzles me is that being Jewish "outwardly" is no value whatsoever to salvation. Only being Jewish "inwardly" is important or in other words being born again. If you could get past this inordinate obsession then maybe you could get past the "root of bitternes" which springs up every time you "sense" something anti-semitic. What comes accross to me in your posts is that you are very upset that it is such an imperfect world we live in. I can easily understand why! But consider this. Matt. 5:6 "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteouness, for they shall be satisfied". We have this promise, we will be satisfied even though our righteous souls are tormented now. We cannot make a perfect world, we can only not let the world make us something the Lord does not want us to be. You have called Emile "sick" and "twisted" in just the last couple of days. That is not the Lord. Together in Christ, Bob Alan

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (10726)	1/14/1998 2:36:00 PM
From: Alan Markoff	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi Bob, This is from Nancy. I am sorry but I thought I signed all of my posts. If you are going to judge someones motives as being from satan and obsessed and tell them that what they said was not from the Lord, you can pretty surely guarantee they will be upset. All we have said is that when you agree with Emile about the Jews being satanist and the OT religion being from satan we see a serious problem here. In Emiles post that you agree with he is damning the Word of God for that was the OT religion. In the New Testament we learn of the added burdens of the Rabbis that angered the Lord . The Lord clearly states that the OT law or religion will not pass away until heaven and earth pass away. I don't think that has happened yet so by agreeing that the OT religion is damned or used to damn anyone or is from satan is saying and accusing the Lord of the same. He is the fulfillment of the OT. That is why Emiles posts are upsetting to us. It is clear that you do not understand how we feel from this post and past posts and that is OK. But if you can not see that Emile is obsessed with the Jewish people you are blinded by a plank or someting. There have been numerous lengthy posts on the Jews in Hollywood as though they were the only people there, false quotes from Talmud, direct misquotes from believing Jews that were done for everyone to see and still you call my husband obsessed. Jane is right I saw how this started and Alan came with enthusiasm and Emile jumped him like it was satan himself.There have been others that are not Jewish that agreed with him (Emile) on many things but failed to agree on one thing and he yelled herectic!! So you will be OK as long as you don't disagree. To answer your other question from Romans 11 It is as follows; verses 25-32 I do not want you to be ignorant of this MYSTERY, brothers so that you may not be conceited. Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles has come in. 26 AND SO ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED, as it is written The Deliverer will come from Zion He will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins. As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies ON YOUR ACCOUNT; but as for ELECTION is concerned, they are loved on account of the Patriarchs 29 FOR GODS GIFTS AND HIS CALL ARE IRREVOCABLE (AMEN). Just as you (Gentiles) who were at one time disobedient to God have now recieved mercy as a result of their disobedience so they too HAVE BECOME DISOBEDIENT IN ORDER THAT THEY TOO MAY NOW RECEIVE MERCY AS A RESULT OF GODS MERCY TO YOU. For God has bound ALL MEN over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all. That is the mystery all Israel will be saved. The Amilenialist can not accept this verse literally for it does not support the doctrine that God is finished with Israel as a Nation .The Bible does not speak of the Gentiles as a singular Nation at anytime only the Jews, so it is hard for me to accept these verses as applied to the Church which is made up of many tribes, nations etc... Also, how can a Christian be an enemy to the gospel if they are the true Israel of God? There are numerous problems with their doctrine and that is what Alan and I are saying. They also have a hard time explaining the miraculous rebirth of the Nation so they give the credit for this great faithfulness and power of God that was prophesied many years ago to satan. God desires to have mercy on everyone and if we show mercy we will receive mercy. I can honestly say that Alan is not what you see him as. He is very gentle, humble and strong. He does not usualy say he is Jewish and I am sure he will not in the future and he will not say he is a Christian as well. In 1 John how can you praise God with your mouth and curse men that God has created. Emile not only curses my husband by saying he is with satan, a heretic, but he takes all Jews with him, that includes Paul, Peter, John, David, Daniel, etc... I don't understand how everyone can lump Israel with the rest of the world the Word of God does not do this there is always a mention of His plans for Israel because the gifts and call of God are irrevocable. The same applies to the Church aren't you glad His gifts and call are irrevocable if it were not so and human failure could cause people to be destroyed then what hope does anyone have. The Jews were Gods choice to represent Himself and I don't think He made a mistake or changed His mind. All we want is for people to stop calling them Christ Killers, satanist, anit(against)- christ (they are enemies of the gospel on your account) and stop blaming them for every world crisis. I saw a news corespondent from Jerusalem that is not Jewish (amazing in the media) that put up a map of the world and then he put up a red dot that demonstrated the size of Israel compared to the rest of the world and you could barely see it. We are talking less than 1% of the world population and he said here is the big enemy that is controlling all this and is scaring so many.Wake up!! Satan is the enemy not the Jews or any race, we battle not against flesh and blood. Remember Bob I had someone with this same doctrine try to kill me and my sons last year so we see an urgency to hang in there and try to show them that this is not from God. A friend of mine works at a copy store and a man asked for help for he was making a large number of copies. As she helped him she saw the exact quotes from Talmud that Emile posted (about Jews raping babies, and killing Christians, etc...) and how we need to stop the satanic Jews. He told her he had to hurry for he was going to a gun show to hand them out. Do you not think that is a motive for Alan and I to stay and hopefully show some that these attitudes even though they are verses are twisted verses and are used to hurt alot of innocent people that God loves. So when you jump into this arguement you need to know the background of what is happening. I know you can't understand how Alan feels having lost family in the Holocaust and have Emile coldly state that God was bringing judgement on them from Dueteronomy 28. I personally do not feel qualified to say what God is doing, but some like Jobs friends think they know it all. I don't have any problem with you but you have shared that you have a problem with my sweet and loving Alan that I wish you could know without all this hammering he has received by this thread. May the Lord give us all His peace, Nancy