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Politics : The Trump Presidency -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sam who wrote (79045)	6/22/2018 5:44:42 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 364586

"Merit based. It likely would allowed one of my grandfathers in the country who actually was brought here with a job, but the other one would not been allowed" I'm not sure any of mine would have been, and, like yours, they were fleeing the pogroms. My maternal grandmother was born here, but her folks were Romanian, and the only way Mom could converse with her grandmother was in Yiddish. The others were Russian. My grandfather (and his parents) were the last link in a chain started by his oldest brother. Dad's parents were married when they arrived here, and his mother was chained to her bother and sisters.

To: Sam who wrote (79045)	6/22/2018 7:53:00 PM
From: Katelew	1 Recommendation Recommended By robert a belfer Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 364586

<<Merit based. It likely would allowed one of my grandfathers in the country who actually was brought here with a job, but the other one would not been allowed. He was a 14 year kid who didn't speak any English and was just trying to get out of Russia to avoid pogroms. From what I gather it likely would have disallowed Trump's mother. Along with millions of other people.>> You really want to go there? Go to an era when this country was wide open and building itself out at a rapid pace. Factory jobs were being created as fast as people could be brought in to fill them. Also, I would argue that your descendants DID come in through a merit based immigration system---all of them. They came in legally, I assume, went through customs and were screened for disease and poor health. If they lacked much education and skills, it didn't matter. That was true of the masses of the world at that time. Whole industries were being created which called for on-the-job training. Compare that to the last 3 decades. Our factory jobs were either leaving the country or being automated away. Yes, illegal immigration may have slowed somewhat in recent years, the Obama economy relatively weaker and unemployment was rather stuck. Or maybe they developed bettter ways of getting in. The illegal pop. is certainly much higher than official reports used by the MSM. It's been stuck at 11 million forever, lol. Either way, it doesn't matter, does it? Illegal border crossings are increasing now and have been for months with about 50,000 attempted entries at the border every month. The Trump economy is hot. We either seal the border and develop adequate and flexible guest worker programs, or we go into the next recession with a surplus of permanent labor. This will then recreate the difficulty seen during the Obama years of sopping up excess labor. And this will, once again, result in slow growth brought on by suppressed wages. There's a cycle to this, can't you see? Which scenario do you want? You can't have them both. Controlling the flow of labor into an economy mitigates the economic swings of it. Isn't that desirable? Liberals seem to think there's some magical world where all the things they want can happen in spite of the capitalist underpinnings to our economy. That's why I've come to believe that liberals can't govern. They can't make the hard choices. Or if they try, they can't stay in office. Another thing. There are counter-factual arguments to be made against much of what passed for data in that article. I don't have the energy to put it together right now. I also don't want to beat up on Hispanics. As I've said before, Trump's crime argument doesn't sway me particularly. I've lived through mass migration of Hispanics here in Arkansas, and know for myself that they assimilate well, work hard, and are typically caring parents. It would be much worse to be facing what Europe is facing. Things could get worse re Mexico. The country elects a new president in July, a man said to have strong socialist ideas. Will he nationalize our factories in Mexico or change up the manufacturing agreements in place? Supposedly his position on immigration is that there should be open borders throughout No. America, maybe along the lines of what Hillary said about open borders being her long term goal. This guy frames it as a human right--we should all be able to live and work anywhere we want.