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To: Lane3 who wrote (79292)	6/24/2018 9:37:04 AM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 364843

As for stopping people just going about their business and asking for papers like the Gestapo, I find that outrageous. I would hope everyone would. You would hope that. But that hope would be in vain. That is what got Joe Arpaio in trouble. Well, one of the things. He and his posse would routinely stop certain people and ask for their papers. But, ICE is apparently authorized to do that within a reasonable distance from a border. They define "reasonable" as within 100 miles of a national border. Which includes major bodies of water. like the Gulf of Mexico, the Atlantic and the Pacific. They want to include the Great Lakes, but that is sort of iffy. I don't think they can include the Great Salt Lake. Or rivers like the MIssissippi, but it wouldn't surprise me if they tried. Anyway, within those jurisdictions, they can and will stop people and ask for their papers. detaining those who can't prove they are legally in the country. They will stop cars and buses and check the occupants. They will even do it beyond the hundred miles if they think they can get away with it. Heck, there was even a case where a French woman was visiting her mother in Canada. One day, she went out for a jog and accidentally crossed an unmarked border. ICE picked her up and kept her in detention for two weeks before it could get cleared up. I imagine the fact she was black did not help here cause at all... So the stopping of profiled people and asking for papers like the Gestapo is a practice that is alive and well if you are within 100 miles of a border. There are a lot of people who would like the see the practice include the whole country.

To: Lane3 who wrote (79292)	6/24/2018 10:37:29 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 364843

The discussion of ICE and employer verification got mixed together. That is because I don't like to discuss this issue by just bitching about it but would rather look for a solution. The confusion is my fault. You seem to agree that if employers had to have skin in the game, that the incentive to come here decreases. Yes! And just because it didn't clear the hurdles of politics doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to move in that direction. A solution!!! ICE does I suppose play into the employment story because they occasionally raid places of employment that employ illegal workers. But I'm talking about how is ICE to be able to do their job without requiring people to show their papers? On Meet the Press this morning someone said (Republican senator I believe) that after asylum seekers check in that only 2% turn up for their court appointment. The other 98% disappear into cities - most likely sanctuary cities I imagine. How would you propose ICE get these people to follow the law? The seekers of asylum have the right under current laws to seek asylum - but just getting here does not grant them citizenship. If they then ignore our laws and their requirement to appear in court they too are now here illegal and will always be living in the shadows. How is that any solution?