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To: Katelew who wrote (80031)	6/27/2018 9:13:08 PM
From: combjelly	2 Recommendations Recommended By bentway John Koligman Respond to of 365024

Crimeans held a free and fair vote to rejoin Russia. Straight from the desk of Putin. Not to mention, irrelevant even if it were true. It is a fact that Russia was sending weapons and troops to Ukraine to destabilize the country. They still are. The majority living there were ethnic Russians and most still spoke the language. That people speak Russian there is irrelevant. Like in most of Ukraine, people speak Ukrainian and Russian. While the Russians occupied Crimea after capturing it from the Ottoman Empire. Russian was taught in schools. And, after the formation of the Soviet Union, it was common to take an indigenous population, like the Crimean Tartars, exile them to other places in the Soviet Union and settle Russians in their place. That is what they call "genocide". Here is another little fact. When you send military forces into an area and claim it, with or without a vote, it is called a "military takeover". Votes taken in an occupied territory are generally not considered valid. For obvious reasons. A similar thing happened in Georgia. Russia supplied weapons and men to some separatists and encouraged them to revolt. While they didn't officially annex those areas, they did recognize them as a breakaway republic. Something no other country has done. Don't you remember the speculation that Russia might try to take all of the southern part of Ukraine so they could link that region with Mother Russia? But, that just wasn't militarily possible. Ukraine was putting up too much of a fight to take and hold that much territory. Not to mention the possibility of NATO objecting. It looks like you get a lot of your 'facts' from Putin. Why is that?

To: Katelew who wrote (80031)	6/28/2018 1:02:51 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 365024

<<<< most still spoke the language>>>> Look out New Zealand - here we come!!!!!!

To: Katelew who wrote (80031)	6/28/2018 5:34:46 PM
From: GPS Info	2 Recommendations Recommended By bentway TimF Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 365024

Crimeans held a free and fair vote to rejoin Russia. United Nations Resolution adopted by the General Assembly on 27 March 2014 68/262. Territorial integrity of Ukraine <snips> Noting that the referendum held in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol on 16 March 2014 was not authorized by Ukraine, 1. Affirms its commitment to the sovereignty, political independence, unity and territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders; 2. Calls upon all States to desist and refrain from actions aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of Ukraine, including any attempts to modify Ukraine’s borders through the threat or use of force or other unlawful means; ... 5. Underscores that the referendum held in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol on 16 March 2014, having no validity, cannot form the basis for any alteration of the status of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea or of the city of Sevastopol; un.org

To: Katelew who wrote (80031)	7/15/2018 7:38:10 PM
From: TimF	2 Recommendations Recommended By bentway pocotrader Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 365024

Crimeans held a free and fair vote to rejoin Russia It wasn't free and fair. It was a quick vote shortly after a military invasion and occupation. It also didn't even include "remain part of Ukraine under current law" as an option. It also apparently included Russians who were moved in after the invasion as part of the voters. If the US grabbed a chunk of Mexico or Canada through military invasion and then bused in thousand of Americans to vote to join the US would that be legitimate? That is not to say that an actual free and fair election might not have produced a majority for joining Russia. The area was over 65 percent Russian and the Russians probably mostly would vote to join Russia. But the next biggest groups the Ukrainians and the Crimean Tartars would be unlikely to vote that way. The 96.77 percent for joining Russia seems to me to be evidence of a lack of a free and fair election.