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To: research1234 who wrote (388499)	11/15/2018 12:16:58 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 540885

There are many in the Democratic party that share your view, like the "Five White guys" who believe we need to woo middle America. But I totally disagree. I think it is much better to do what the Democratic base wants. Who are the majority of people. Look at the Republican party. It is in tatters and about to be relegated to the extreme right wing with other right wing parties like La Pen in France. You say the time was right for FDR and LBJ. I would argue the time is right for a move left. The women have found their voice and want more social programs i.e. a larger government and higher taxes on the rich. The people are ready as seen last Tuesday. The Republicans have laid waste to the country the last 18 years and the people have had it and especially the women and minorities and kids. Look at the statistics: 63% of women are dems, 95% of African Americans, 65% of Latino's and Asians, and millennials and 100% of we liberals :)>. Only the stupid white males split 50/50 and they don't vote as much as women nor live as long :)>. The people like our message and they want us to stop the Republicans who are laying waste to the country. As mentioned a move left is simply a move to a more academic approach to governing. And I disagree, the government needs too reflect the wishes of middle America , when they are wrong. When middle America is wrong, government needs to do what is right e.g. not appeasing the south for 100 years when it was segregating the African American. As mentioned our problems are on our doorstep and we need too solve them now e.g. global warming, income inequality and the homeless, health care and education. << Koan, I appreciate your perspective but I think you are too optimistic as to what middle America will support. The two great Democratic advances in the 20th century happened because the conditions on the ground were absolutely primed for big change. FDR’s New Deal had massive support because huge number s of Americans were devastated by the Depression and were ready for anything that held he promise of improving their lives. And rural electrification cemented the Democrats hold on rural America for two generations. LBJ was able to push through civil rights because 10 years of pictures and video of black people being lynched and denied basic rights had reached middle America and they were willing to accept change in the name of human decency. The Great Society was the last echo of the New Deal and Reps hadn’t figure out how to stop that juggernaut. Our standard of living is way higher than it was in the 30’s or 60’s, so people don’t feel the need for massive dislocating government programs that will cost them money they would much rather spend on themselves. Climate change deniers have succeeded in muddying the waters so there is not a clear significant majority willing to throw massive amounts of money at that problem. Government needs to meet people where that are, not where politicians think they should be. People are ready for a health care fix if it doesn’t upset their lives too much, and if the cost can be presented in a positive fashion. People are ready for infrastructure spending because they are tired of bridges collapsing and roads crumbling.

To: research1234 who wrote (388499)	11/15/2018 2:53:47 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540885

How do we trust middle America? They have given us Republican rule for 50 years and Nixon, Reagan, Bush and now Trump and a fascist supreme court and kept the liberals and their good ideas at bay. This last election the left has made great inroads into middle America. Arizona voted in an openly bi sexual woman for the senate and in Oklahoma city, a lesbian woman won a seat in the house and Orange country has gone almost total blue. I think this move left is structural and I trust the Democrats to do what is needed. We usually do. <,Koan, I appreciate your perspective but I think you are too optimistic as to what middle America will support.