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To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10822)	1/18/1998 2:24:00 AM
From: Jane Hafker	Respond to of 39621

Excuse me Emile, but everyone here is adhering to the rules of the INquisitional court, and you will too. You are to show cause by scripture from the gospels of Jesus Christ or from the Book of Acts where using the term "Christian" is part of salvation, and must be used. Show any scripture which said that the Jews when accepting Jesus must cease calling themselves Jews and now call themselves Christians. And not the quote in Acts where that is the "first time" they called themselves Christians, but the scripture that says all men saved will cease to call themselves Jews who have accepted Jesus as Messiah (Savior) must only call themselves "Christians". Show me that scripture Emile that vaguely relates to such an add-on to the good news of Jesus Christ. And as a matter of fact, Emile, Christians, plural appears once in the Bible. Where THEY first called THEMSELVES Christians. Not the Lord Jesus Christ said and now you shall call yourselves Chrisitans to be saved. And the other TWO references to Christian in the Bible happens to be where the leader of something says that Paul "almost persuades him to be Christian" However, the word is Chrianos, in the Greek, which only means "follower of Christ". Peter uses it once. And if any man suffers as a Christianos (Follower of Christ). You sir have determined your own false doctrine of salvation. Without scripture, without backing, and without anything to urge you on but a poisonous hatred of Jews. There is no edict from the mouth of the Lord Jesus Christ, any apostle, or even Paul himself where all the trouble usually comes from that Alan has any obligation to call himself a Christian for you or anyone else. He is obligated to be saved to do the following: Accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and that Jesus died for his sins. FOR THE CHARGE AGAINST ALAN THAT HE IS NOT FIT FOR THE KINGDOME OF HEAVEN BECAUSE HE SAYS THAT HE IS A JEW WHO LOVES JESUS AND HAS ACCEPTED HIM AS THE SON OF GOD AND SAVIOR AND MESSIAH, AND DOES NOT CALL HIMSELF A "CHRISTIAN" AS YET. THE COURT FINDS IN THE DEFENDANT'S BEHALF THAT SUCH A REQUIREMENT IS MAN MADE AND NOT FOUND IN THE WORD OF GOD AS BEING A REQUIREMENT. Let the record show that the term Christian does not appear to be a requirement to be used as a label according to the rules of salvation found within the Word of God. This is the second charge.

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10822)	1/18/1998 2:56:00 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

this grafting in is a bunch of malarkey by you. Alan Markoff Rom. 28: For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From post #9778 by Alan Markoff The Neo Nazi's use the Romans issue that you bring up and they claim as you that they are the Real Jews that were grafted in.(Grafted in is ok but it dosen't make you a Jew) This type of thinking is spreading rampantly all over this country and through out the world because of the implications of your so called teaching. Jane knows me to be a no nonsense person and I am a straight shooter. This Antichrist issue is mention about four times and in no way is directed towards the Jewish people. You are trying to distort the fact that there is Jew and Gentile this grafting in is a bunch of malarkey by you.(Again it dosent make anyone a spritual Jew But become spiritual Gentiles) ----------------------------------------------------------- Notice that Alan contradicts the Word of God twice. He obviously prefers the modern talmudic Judaism definition of a Jew better than he likes Gods' definition as given to us in St. Paul's writings. Also notice those who defend these doctrines. They assume the curse and darkness of antichrist modern Judaism on themselves by defending and preaching these false doctrines. Notice how we are now seeing those who would reduce the writings of Paul and the other Apostles to less than inspired. Only the Words of Jesus in the Gospels should be listened to. This is all part of the same satanic shceme. Destroy the Word of God so they can prech their own false doctrines. IITim. 3 16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

To: Emile Vidrine who wrote (10822)	1/18/1998 10:31:00 AM
From: Alan Markoff	Respond to of 39621

Emile; I have no idea how to start. I wake up and it seems like you wish to attack every word I say I just read your first post and if you wish to accuse me of everything that I say then you need to respond with an intelligent answer back that supports your claims. Please refer to my following post; Message 3170630 I have no problem calling myself a Christian as I stated on this post. But since you claim to be a Christian and wish all the Jews to ...... I will not be a representative nor will I call myself a Christian in that light. So Emile refute what I am saying here and answer me based on this post. Alan