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To: Jamey who wrote (10978)	1/20/1998 2:55:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

James, I've thought about when Jesus said that to the samaritan woman also. Chris also makes a good point. Jesus went to the lost sheep of the house of Israel first but knew what would come later. A lot of this is semantics really, new covenant, no covenant, covenant of grace. This scripture illustrates your point very well. Eph. 2:8-9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, that no one should boast. Gotta go for now, Bob

To: Jamey who wrote (10978)	1/20/1998 3:14:00 PM
From: Barnabus	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

James, you would love the Quakers. I spent five years in that denomination, attending their schools, etc. One thing they hammered on (Sunday School lessons [so it seems] were constantly "harping" on the no water baptism theme} was no more water baptism. The baptism of the Spirit replaced water. They also do not believe in having communion---no ritual whatsoever. It was always interesting to hear the kids address the adults---even the 90 year olds---by their first name. Practising silence (the presence of God) was a tremendous discipline they had. You would sit in your pew with no organ background, no taped songs---just you and the LORD---SILENCE---those were some of the golden moments of memory. However, they didn't "convert" me from baptism and communion and I ceased attending their church following graduation. However, I have the utmost respect for them and they are a marvelous people. No bearing of arms and "conscientous objecters" was also a part of their fabric. Although I knew a few of them that "went off to war" and helped defend democracy. The thief on the cross was not baptized, and I recall that was a pivotal part of their "see" I can show you it's not important. Speaking of Paul, I was "counseling" a lady one time and quoted some sripture from one of the Pauline epistles. The ladies response brought me up short. She said: "Paul was a male chauvanist!" <ggg> Have a splendid day, James Jack