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To: koan who wrote (419019)	9/30/2019 12:52:24 AM
From: Jamie153	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542011

There's one other major difference between the two parties.They can't deal with losing. Look at issues like abortion. That issue was decided many decades ago and for whatever reason they can't accept that they lost so they vote to destroy our Constitution over and over and over so they can undo the loss they suffered decades before I was born. We see this over and over. The guys who lost the Civil War want to have their monuments and their flag. The guys who lost WW2 want to hate Jews and are neo-Nazis. Those who lost the Civil Rights battles of the 60s are still racists and white supremacists. I want to walk up to them, put my hand on their shoulder and tell them, "it's okay to let it go."

To: koan who wrote (419019)	9/30/2019 12:47:25 PM
From: Cautious_Optimist	Respond to of 542011

The left lives their lives by facts, and logic, and more or less live in the world of reality, to the extent that is possible, which incidentally is why they are more humane than the right. In my anecdotal experience, the "left" is generally more reasoned and factual than the right, but the right has plenty of educated people too. They are not anti-education, they just don't want to pay for people they see as not deserving it - right?? Because they ignorantly think everyone has the same opportunity, that privilege can be earned. Parallel with the evolution of corruption in Washington, the RW had a swing to extremism in recent decades. The liberals came towards the center with truthteller heroes ranging from Robert Reich to Elizabeth Warren. The anti-US Marxists stayed loud, ironically promoting Bannon-like deepstate theories about Establishment Democrats - especially here in Berkeley/Oakland. And it plays into serious local and state Democratic political faultines in California predicting things to come nationally to the party. This era's RW lives in darkness, attracting the worst humans, but the well-intentioned left can be blinded by their own light too. We have fascists in our midst who also want a new civil war. We should all agree we need a level playing field of human rights from birth - affordable housing, basic nutrition, education, universal healthcare, child care for working parents, infant and children's rights, women's reproductive rights, immigration reforms, reasoned affirmative action, modern transformation of criminal justice like bail and jail reforms... etc. Climate policy transformation. Clean air and water. Wall Street/Bank transparency and true fair disclosure -- enforced with criminal penalties that remove the business case for crimes. We need to figure out the best way to pay for it with popular support - without destroying the merit system. We liberals tend to enforce the First Amendment - including the first line - keeping the Church out of state. Also the constitutional rights to privacy, including respect for adult women's (and all genders) bodies and consensual adult sexuality. The RW used to care about freedom of individuals and we could make progress as with civil rights. Now they see themselves (straight/white/male/"pro-life "Christians") as the victims of us liberals and minorities. Where I disagree with your broad assertion about left and right. If you go too far with "free" you shoot the goose that lays the golden eggs. And some NEW opportunistic assholes take more than their fair share of our liberal free stuff, and a new uneconomic caste of dictator fukkers emerges from the left. The left, as we have seen in other countries, can be a cult of power too. The left has its own version of the right. The left must not take sides where dynamic tension is a healthy process. The unions need to bargain, but as we see with police unions in my city - they have to be accountable. It is often California public safety unions who use their knee-jerk powerful lobby to fight criminal justice reforms. And other unions fight environmental end energy reforms in Sacramento and Washington. While on the other hand, teacher's unions are too weak and need help. The RW like Trump, supports all police and their unions. But not teachers. Even with high tuition, professors in liberal California are underpaid too. Irony, right? why the left and right cannot be brought together.The left lives their lives by facts, and logic, and more or less live in the world of reality, to the extent that is possible, which incidentally is why they are more humane than the right.And the left understands and the importance of education.The right lives their lives by myths, and blind conformity, which results in them living in a fantasy world.The right does not view education with the same reverence of the left. In fact many Republicans think education is bad.