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To: j g cordes who wrote (16381)	1/22/1998 9:41:00 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Jim, the charges are perjury, suborning perjury, obstructing justice, and possibly tampering with witnesses. The president is elected to uphold the law of the land. While this case does not produce the chaos and constitutional crisis which Nixon's crimes did, do you believe the president is above the law? Are there times, if just sex is involved, that these above crimes are acceptable behavior? Incidentally, the young woman in question was an unpaid intern, wet behind the ears, just out of college. Interns are supposed to be carefully watched over and guided, because they are very young and the agencies which have interns have some sort of responsibility for their welfare. Hitting on an intern is very uncool.

To: j g cordes who wrote (16381)	1/23/1998 9:05:00 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

jg- What is this "wake up" baloney? Opinion, opinion. I think I'm probably more awake than most because I admit that its a full-time job just leading my own life with any degree of self-knowledge and integrity and wouldn't presume to claim to know how others should lead theirs. I was extremely careful to avoid making a public personal value judgment on Clinton's sexual behavior. My point was that American culture does have in place generally accepted rules of behavior-and that he is extremely stupid to ignore these. The legal ramifications I leave to the committees and the courts. <<Judge him on his job in the Oval Office>> It is idealistic to think this is possible. Rightly or not, he will also be judged on his character and his actions. And he has cheapened himself and his Presidency with these situations. Do you really equate what he is being accused of to simple and mature "sexual expression"??? Don't you believe that beyond our own beliefs and needs we have commitments and responsibilities for others and the effect our behaviors might have on them? What did intrigue me because of a book I just finished was your statement that sexual mores are used to control society. However, there are too many posts here right now! Maybe it could be a side discussion on DAR. ALso your point about "allowing" ourselves to be placed in straitjackets--I'm glad you used that particular word, because we do still have choices in our lives.