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To: Woody_Nickels who wrote (178638)	1/5/2020 5:36:40 AM
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FOUR PINNOCCHIOS FOR CREEPY JOE newsbusters.org Fact-Checker Alert! Biden Lies to Fox About Opposing Raid on Osama bin Laden in 2011 The latest test of the "independent fact-checkers" just unfolded in a Joe Biden interview with Peter Doocy of Fox News in Dubuque, Iowa. It's cut, and dried. Biden is on record opposing Obama's decision to take out Osama bin Laden in 2011. But now he's claiming he never did. It's an easy "Pants on Fire" for PolitiFact. It's Four Pinocchios for The Washington Post. PETER DOOCY: If you were ever handed a piece of intelligence that said you can stop an imminent attack on Americans but you have to use an airstrike to take out a terror leader, would you pull the trigger? JOE BIDEN: Well, we did. Guy’s name was Osama bin Laden. REPORTER: Didn’t you tell President Obama not to go after bin Laden? BIDEN: No, I didn’t. I didn’t. Fox pointed out that's not what Biden said on video in 2012: "He said, ‘Joe, what do you think?’ And I said ...We owe the man a direct answer. 'Mr. President, my suggestion is, don’t go.’ We have to do two more things to see if he's there." The Trump-Pence campaign is pointing out other evidence underlining Biden lied to Doocy. -- When then-White House Press Secretary Jay Carney was asked whether Biden actually opposed the raid, Carney said, “I know that he’s speaking accurately.” (Carney was Biden's press secretary before he was Obama's.) -- In a 2012 presidential debate with Mitt Romney, President Obama said Biden dissented: "When it comes to going after Osama bin Laden, you said, well, any president would make that call. But when you were a candidate in 2008 … you said we shouldn't move heaven and earth to get one man, and you said we should ask Pakistan for permission.And even some in my own party, including my current vice president, had the same critique as you did." -- In each of their memoirs, former Obama officials Hillary Clinton, Leon Panetta, Robert Gates, and Michael Morell all say Biden opposed the raid. It's one reason that Gates wrote in his 2014 memoir that Biden “has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” He told CBS he stood by that statement last May.

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On Soleimani, NBC's Engel Gives Joy Reid the 'Wrong' Answers! Mark Finkelstein is a contributing editor for NewsBusters. newsbusters.org Joy Reid was apparently unaware of the old lawyers' rule: never ask a witness a question to which you don't know the answer! Because on her MSNBC show this morning, Reid asked NBC News chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel questions regarding the strike on Soleimani . . . and got answers that must have horrified her! Reid first asked if there was any evidence that Soleimani was in Iraq to plan an attack. Engel responded that whereas there was no information concerning a specific attack, planning attacks is what Soleimani did. Moreover, the fact that he was meeting with Shiite militia leaders there buttresses the notion that he was up to no good. It got even worse for poor Joy when she asked Engel if there was evidence that Soleimani was behind the recent attack on the US embassy in Baghdad. Engel was even more emphatic in saying "that is probably more causal, more cause-and-direct," adding that he didn't question the claim of US officials that Soleimani was indeed behind the attack. 0-for-2, Joy: whoopsie! Perhaps Reid was banking on the fact that Engel, a self-described "pacifist" who thinks "war should be illegal," would stick to the liberal script. But though he is decidedly no fan of President Trump, Engel does have a tendency to call it as he sees it. Better luck next time, Joy! Maybe you should stick to regular guests like Malcolm Nance and others who can be counted on to reliably condemn President Trump at all turns! PS: at the end of the interview, Reid was obliged to say "thank you" to Engel. She managed to avoid adding, "for nothing!" Here's the transcript. MSNBC AM Joy 1/4/20 10:02 am ET JOY REID: I’m sure Trump is hoping that we will all line up behind him, throwing a flag pin, and send his approval rating soaring. Mr. President: don’t hold your breath. I want to first go to Richard Engel, NBC News chief foreign correspondent. He's in Irbil, Iraq. And Richard, I want to start by asking you, is there any evidence presented by the administration or that you’ve seen in your reporting on the ground that there was some imminent threat that Qasem Soleimani presented to the United States? RICHARD ENGEL: There has been no direct evidence presented by the administration and nothing that we’ve seen. But *frankly speaking, the — that is what Qasem Soleimani did.* We don’t know if he was organizing what kind of attack, we don’t know if he was organizing something imminent in the future, where, when or how. But the fact that Qasem Soleimani would have been meeting with Shiite militia leaders, and he was meeting with Shiite militia leaders because they were in the same convoy that was killed for him, that’s not that unusual and the things that they would meet to do would be to carry out attacks against the US . . . No, we don’t have any specific information, but you can draw a logical conclusion that that’s the kind of thing they would be talking about. . . . REID: Is there any — can you explain to us what relationship there is, if any, between the late Qasem Soleimani and this attack on the US embassy recently in Iraq? ENGEL: So that is probably more, more causal, more cause and direct . . Was he involved in directing an allied militia to attack the US embassy? The US officials say that he was, and there’s — that I have — I don’t, I don't question their claim of that.