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To: Jamey who wrote (11029)	1/25/1998 12:02:00 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi James, I don't want to get bogged down in another dispute but it seems water baptism was practiced by the first century church and with the ministry of John the Baptist it's hard to dispute. Look at these verses: Acts 10:44-45 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 And all the circumcised believers were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit has been poured out upon the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have recieved the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.

To: Jamey who wrote (11029)	1/25/1998 1:46:00 PM
From: Barnabus	Respond to of 39621

James, I have a sis-in-law that is a Godly saint. She is now in her 80's and has NEVER BEEN BAPTISED. She was raised as a Quaker and graduated from Quaker schools. They teach that baptism is of the Spirit---no longer of water---just as you have stated. However, I believe that baptism is an important outward testimony as well as an inward symbol. I have been to some magnificently wonderful baptismal services. While visiting mission stations in Africa, the baptismal services were an abolute statement of separation from their former pagan life. In any event, it is also clear that those that have practised the "Quaker approach" for several hundred years are going to heaven---as well as those that practise Christianity in your dispensational point of view. It is true, salvation is by grace---period---thus I agree with you that to not practise it is certainly not heresy. BUT the believer misses out on the testimony and symbolic importance of it. I once led a lady to Christ and after she became a Christian, I talked to her about baptism---I'll always remember her answer: "I once was baptized as a girl, but I went into the water as a dry sinner and came out as a wet sinner." She knew she needed to be baptized "on this side" of her conversion. Jack PS Any thoughts on cremation? Appreciated Jane's summation.

To: Jamey who wrote (11029)	1/25/1998 8:12:00 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

I'm afraid old habits remain ingrained in the practices of most of the Church as we know it today. As a dispensationalist the Bible makes sense to me because I am able to separate the old covenants from the messages God gave to Paul. Paul didn't get the complete message all at once, as evidenced by his early Acts ministry but once again, the apostles were raised from birth in Judiasm and Jesus came to earth and actually taught to His people, the Israelites, that which He will take up with them again when this current dispensation of grace comes to a close. The truth of the matter is that a lot of preachers know we are saved by grace alone, yet will not go against the practices of their churches. (They like their comfy jobs.) I once heard a person say"Jesus was babtised into humanity(under the Davidic covenant) but we are baptised into His Glorified body. John even said, I baptise you with water, but there is one who is coming who will baptise you with fire and the spirit. Paul also says whoever follows my gospel of the Grace of God is folling Christ. Paul's doctrine is the latest Word we have from Christ, and I choose to follow my supreme commanders latest marching orders! ONE BAPTISM! In Christ, James.