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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (153197)2/26/2020 3:32:01 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218197
 
In different sectors for same generic virus reason there be an issue -

bloomberg.com

Hong Kong Parents Want Refunds as Schools Shut for Months
Lulu Yilun Chen



A child joins an online lesson in Hong Kong. Photographer: Justin Chin/BloombergIrate parents forced to juggle work, home schooling amid virus

The emails are piling up, office queries need attention, and Jackie Yang’s kids won’t leave her alone.

“‘Mom, I don’t know how to log on to the computer;’ ‘Mom, help me print out my paper.’ Imagine hearing ‘Mom!’ every minute. I’m just up to my neck,” said Yang, who works for a Chinese bank in risk control.

For Yang and thousands of other parents in Hong Kong, the past few months have been nothing but frustration. The city’s school-aged children are expected to miss about 13 weeks of classes due to government-mandated shutdowns, first because of anti-government protests, now for the coronavirus outbreak. On top of that are the fees; tuition in one of the world’s most expensive cities can cost upwards of $20,000 a year.

“My eldest was just screaming at home,” said insurance rep Jade Yang, no relation to Jackie, when she heard Tuesday that Hong Kong had extended the school closings until at least April 20. “A few more weeks of this and she’s going to go crazy.”

Parents of students at prestigious international schools, many of whom make up the upper echelons of finance, law and global business, are particularly irate. On top of tuition, they pay fees for lunch, the bus, and other activities. They say their kids aren’t getting the education they’ve paid for, sparking a debate over who should bear the financial brunt of this unprecedented disruption.

“It’s like we can’t get a break,” said Jackie Yang. “I’m practically homeschooling my kids. All the parents are angry and feelquite helpless.”

Some parents have asked the schools for their money back, if not the tuition, then at least the ancillary fees that can add up tothousands. Jackie Yang has joined a dozen parents petitioning for refunds on services their children no longer receive, such as food and transportation. They want schools to cut short Easter Holiday and the summer break to make up for lost time.

No RefundsA thread about refunds on a Facebook page run by consultancy Top Schools attracted hundreds of comments, said Ruth Benny, who runs the company that advises parents. Bus fees alone can cost HK$4,000 ($513) a month or more, she added. The latest extension will only add to the frustration.

“This will push many people over the edge” to seek overseas schools, Benny said.

So far, the parents’ requests have gone largely unmet. Schools say they still need to pay teachers, and contracts with third-party vendors -- school bus providers, for example -- are negotiated months in advance.

Read more about Hong Kong’s anti-government protests

Some international schools have tried to mitigate the damage by offering real-time online classes that try to simulate a normal school day, complete with breaks, sports and music sessions. Others provide pre-recorded instructional videos and work for students. That’s added to the workload of a lot of teachers.

“We are working double the hours than we usually do,” said Divya Hira, a teacher at the Korean International School. “The fact that students now can contact us throughout the day makes it even more tough on us to be present and help answer their queries.”

Ironically, parents who’ve spent years trying to minimize their children’s screen time are suddenly finding them sitting in front of computers for seven or eight hours a day.

But younger students in particular need help navigating the online systems. Yang’s daughter, a first-grader at an American school, needs help to access the internet, complete her lessons, and print out documents.

“Most parents are not genuinely asking for a refund on the fees,” said Benny, a mother of two teenagers who recently enrolled one of them at a school in the U.K. “The divisive element here is whether or not they are satisfied with the online learning that’s been provided.”

It’s all far from ideal, though refunds aren’t warranted, said Anne Murphy, a consultant at ITS Educational Services Ltd., which works with international schools.

“If the government closes schools until April or May,” Murphy said, “I feel there will be a huge exodus of families.”

The government provided some relief last week by increasing its annual subsidy for education by 40% to HK$3,500 a year. The city also unveiled a HK$120 billionrelief package Wednesday, including a HK$10,000 hand-out for permanent residents.

Make-up CoursesWhile students won’t go back to class until after Easter -- the previous target date was March 16 -- the education bureau has allowed schools to host small groups for test-prep sessions. The Chinese International School, among others, plans to allow Year 13 students to come back on a reduced timetable starting March 2 to help them prepare for International Baccalaureate exams.

A growing number of parents are asking the Hong Kong education bureau to approve make-up courses during the summer or to provide some compensation. The education department didn’t respond to emailed queries about these issues.

“This remote learning scheme is causing a lot of meaningless inconvenience to parents, teachers and children, just so the education bureau or the government can avoid making an immediate, responsible decision for the pupils and citizens,” said Betty Lai, who opted to send her two kids to the U.K. to study because of the closures.

Read more on Chinese e-learning

At local schools – which are either free or charge significantly less than international schools -- it’s a mixed bag. Some are offering online lessons, though many just provide e-mailed work sheets. Microsoft Corp. is working with the government to enable 800,000 students from 1,000 primary and secondary schools to use its software. Still, the common feedback – from public and private schools alike -- is that it’s no substitute for in-person teaching.

Jade Yang said her eldest daughter is studying for an International Baccalaureate exam in May, an important part of her U.S. university application.

“Not being able to attend school is a pretty big deal,” Yang said. “My daughter needs to discuss a lot of her essays with the teachers, and not being able to meet in person has caused a significant delay.”



Read more about expatriates leaving Hong Kong



Protest in Central on Jan. 19.

Photographer: Justin Chin/Bloomberg

More than the unrest caused by the protests or the economic fears triggered by U.S.-China trade tensions, the school interruptions have prompted expatriates to consider their options. Some are looking to Singapore, where schools remain open even though the city-state has more virus cases than Hong Kong.

“The one thing that people cannot get around is school,” Robert Chipman, chief executive officer of the global relocation firm Asian Tigers Group, said in a Bloomberg TV interview. “That’s where you hear people discuss with real, real concern -- they don’t like the idea of their kids not being in school.

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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (153197)2/27/2020 12:31:41 AM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 218197
 
so far none of the 40+ on the e-mail roundtable refuted my mathematic logic and proposed different view re the issue (1) I posed here Message 32571286

folks I guess accept the irritable as irrefutable

the usual kibitzers commenting on this that and every other minute factoid are not able to deal w/ the overarching. not particularly surprised. certainly not disappointed. all as expected.

enough of this planet do deal with numbers and mathematics, and the rest we pity them




To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (153197)2/27/2020 11:14:32 PM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218197
 
regarding this Message 32571403

I posted below update to the same 40+ people, enough of who are neo people, and they typically are math-challenged, as well as incapable of logic exercise, because they are cretins, morons, dullard, imbeciles, twits, or otherwise knaves and scoundrels

believe some of the cretins are still waiting for rising interest rate? guess they do not hear the helicopter blades.

Perhaps the trump is not taken in by the hype?

In any case I quote myself ...

On 28 Feb 2020, at 12:09 PM, J wrote:

Oh golly businessinsider.com

Neo people f*cked up.

The virus they engineered to knee-cap Team China failed miserably except to effort the Team an opportunity for dress-rehearsal, and the performance has been epic, exemplary, etc etc

neo people instead successful in choke-holding financial markets by which they draw succor

And after all is said, as I noted yesterday and earlier, must reconcile ( Message 32571403 ) the death count in China and the puzzle of same count ex-China, there lies the truth, and the truth is, depending on point of view, the virus is death, and a flu.

Let us see how the dress rehearsal go elsewhere