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To: William Cloutier who wrote (63525)3/23/2020 7:53:54 PM
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i don't think that economics is the key for the next few weeks. Physchology and astrology might be the ticket. (New corp earnings projections and macroeconomics will be unknowable for a while.) How will the flood of bad health and economic news affect investing psychology? I wonder who is doing the selling? Is the smart money leaving or the dumb money? are mutual funds involved big time yet? OT -- I made some dumb sells today and am 80% cash. Does anyone think that today is the bottom? Yes, I have to rebuy at some point -- in a few more drop days, I may be compelled.... (Bought some pref shares, just like the good old days of 2009.)

be safe.

>>>but I need to discuss with people who know about economics...




To: William Cloutier who wrote (63525)3/24/2020 10:40:37 AM
From: Spekulatius  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 78430
 
William,
I don’t think anyone, including the politicians who make momentous decisions know how this plays out. A demand shock like we have right now seems deflationary. I think deflation is a much higher risk than inflation. What needs to be prevented is an economic meltdown where falling price cause a downward spiral.

The current downward spirals are energy, banking and now real state. Real estate is huge and could cause a cascade that now Bank or levered institution might survive.

The safest bets are those with low operational and low balance sheet leverage or even better net cash. Think, GOOGL, FB, MA, V etc, but those are most likely not the stocks that will give you the highest returns either.



To: William Cloutier who wrote (63525)3/24/2020 8:49:52 PM
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Now, I'm wondering of the afterward effects of QE and money printing.In fact, I feel pretty anxious about this. Are we going to see a lot of inflationafter this crisis is done? What about retirees and government's debt?
At least speaking for the US, I don't think we run much risk of sparking runaway inflation. Rather, the QE is a hodgepodge of tools to prevent a deflationary depression. Their approach is very similar to 2008, the perspective at the time being that the main factor that extended a really bad market crash and recession into the Great Depression was overly tight monetary policy (this is sometimes referred to as the monetarist theory).

John Cochrane had a good view on this yesterday:

When the Fed buys a Treasury bill, it creates new money with which to buy the bill. It simply increases the amount of reserves, which banks can freely transform to cash, so you can think of it as printing up money to buy the bill. Why doesn't this cause immense inflation? Well, the Fed backs the money with the bill. The overall quantity of government debt has not changed, just the composition.
Lots of people tend to massively conflate the idea of QE with "printing money". The money printing moniker should most be applied to central banks who're not independent from the legislative body, and when the legislative arms wants to spend a bunch of money, they phone up the central bank and order them to create more money so the government can spend the new money. Luckily, our central bank doesn't work this way, and they are very acutely aware of their affects on inflation (Their core mandate, after all, is to maximize growth while maintaining a 2% inflation target).

Most of what the Fed does with QE are asset exchanges, not money printing. Banks have assets that have intrinsic and extrinsic value -- government securities, mortgage-backed securities, anything that is a present-discounted future cashflow -- but in times of liquidity crisis, banks need cash to meet their obligations and (hopefully) lend to consumers and businesses. If Joe's auto shop could run his business by paying his employees with government securities, Bank of America would not have such a critical need for cash right now

Note: these same dynamics are also obviously true of the less mainstreet-ish things banks do, like hold hedge fund customer brokerage accounts, and deal with liquidity issues due to customer redemptions, margin calls, etc.


With respect to investing in things that will grow better than cash over time, there are and will be buying opportunities aplenty in the very near future.

Apologies for the long rant; TLDR don't worry about inflation.