SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Strategies & Market Trends : Advanced Option Strategies -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Greg Higgins who wrote (1)1/27/1998 1:44:00 PM
From: R. Gordon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 355
 
Greg,

I'm glad you are starting this thread. I've enjoyed your posts very much and on a few occasions needed you to break things down so that even I could understand you.

I have found a few occasions where cost of the put and call in the same month and strike price offer a slight advantage to the investor. These situations are rare, but they do occur. IE, Stock at 85, 85 strike, 85 call bid price 4, 85 put ask price 3.375. Entering this position - sell the CC and buy the put, gives me a slight edge. On retreats I may buy buy the call back and wait for it to go back up - still protected on the downside. I may also buy inexpensive calls and on rallys buy inexpensive puts. Buying the puts and calls at relative highs and lows according to TA suggest (which ain't perfect) I get better prices for on the protective positions than a butterfly.

Anyway, that's what I'm looking at these days.

Richard



To: Greg Higgins who wrote (1)7/3/1998 5:18:00 PM
From: Dnorman  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 355
 
Greg: Is a short call, a call you have (written) sold and a short put a naked put (written) that you have sold? I think this is right and just need a confirmation to make sure I am reading this right.

Dennis



To: Greg Higgins who wrote (1)7/4/1998 11:32:00 AM
From: Douglas Webb  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 355
 
I've been thinking about Systematic Writing, and I'm interested in putting some tools on my site about it.

Am I correct in assuming that the short puts, calls, and straddles are all written using at-the-money options? You get the most time-premium that way... Are there situtations where you'd want a different option?

Also, it sounds like you'd always uses fairly short-term options; no more than two months out. Is that right?

What do you do with the stock if you still own it after the round of covered calls? Do you keep writing calls, or sell it and move on? What do you consider when making this decision?

Finally, what kind of delayed-quote tools could I develop that would be useful for this strategy? I can't do anything with the first step (choosing a stock) but I can help with the rest...

Thanks.
Doug.



To: Greg Higgins who wrote (1)7/18/1998 4:52:00 PM
From: Vol  Respond to of 355
 
Thoughts about Systemic Writing

1) Sell put
2) Assigned stock (if price falls enough)
3) Sell covered call
4) Sell put
5) Assigned stock (if stock falls enough) or assigned to sell stock (if stock rises enough)

3 option commissions, 2 assigned commissions

Alternative:

1) Sell put
2) Assigned stock (if price falls enough)
3) Sell stock (for loss, of course)
4) Sell putx2
5) Assigned stock (if price falls enough) or nothing (if stock rises enough)

2 options commissions, 1 equity commission, and 1 or 2 assigned commission. Plus, you take a capital loss, which helps taxes.

This is based on a few assumptions. Equity commissions are less than option commissions; usually, a lot less. Assignations are costly (I think similar to option commissions). I think this alternative helps lower commissions if Systemic Writing action is required.

Vol



To: Greg Higgins who wrote (1)7/31/1998 8:48:00 AM
From: Linda Kaplan  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 355
 
All: I'm looking for an online resource that provides real time options quotes on all the exchanges. Anyone?

Secondarily a discount brokerage online that takes the orders online on specified exchanges?

Thanks.

Linda



To: Greg Higgins who wrote (1)8/2/1998 9:58:00 PM
From: Vol  Respond to of 355
 
Re: Systemic Writing

I was wondering if one of Herm's maneuvers might aid SW. It involves converting the stock to LEAPS and writing CC's on these. Usually you can buy 2 deep in-the-money LEAPS for every 100 shares of stock owned.

Vol



To: Greg Higgins who wrote (1)12/14/1999 2:38:00 AM
From: Greg Higgins  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 355
 
My Systematic Writing Example (most recent):

Stock is ZZZZ (one with which I've been intimate several times since 1995).

May 17/18, I'm driving to Boston to set up for a trade show. At the hotel I'm bored and I drop by Silicon Investor for the first time in ages, since I've been putting in long weeks on a new software development project. I notice some talk on ZZZZ, due my own due diligence and decide it's going to be a good stock for Systematic Writing.

May 19, HI 34 LO 32, I sell the Jun 30 Puts for 1 1/4.

May 25, HI 36 LO 34 1/2, I sell the Jun 35 Puts for 2 3/16 .

May 27, HI 40 LO 38, I cover (buy back) the Jun 30 puts for 3/8.

May 28, Stock splits 2 for 1.

Jun 7, HI 19 3/4 LO 19 1/8, I cover the Jun 35 Puts (17 1/2) for 3/8 (3/16).

Jun 8, HI 20 1/4 LO 19 5/8, I sell the Jun 20 puts for 1.

Jun 18, ZZZZ closes at 20 5/8, my puts expire the following day.

Jun 23, HI 21 1/8 LO 19 13/16, I sell the Jul 20 puts for 1.

Jun 30, HI 20 13/16 LO 20 1/16, to get a jump on the amount I sell
the Aug 20 puts for 1 5/8.

Jul 16, ZZZZ closes at 22 1/16, my puts expire the following day.

(Note that at this point in time I'm ahead $5 / share and I've
yet to buy the stock (this year) ).

Jul 22, HI 22 1/2 LO 21 3/16, I sell the Dec 17 1/2 for 1 3/16.
(Why -- I figured 5 months to expiration, I'm ahead $5 on the
stock, and the margin is only $2.25 (this is because exchange
minimum margin is 20% minus the out of the money amount with
a minimum of 10%, thus whenever you're selling a put which is
more than 10% of the stock price out of the money, your effective
margin rate is 10%, so I'm putting up 2.25, and getting 1 3/16
for 5 months, do the math, it's 126% annualized ROI .)

Note that had I been paying attention I would have noticed that
my favorite indicator for this stock has been signaling a top.

Aug 23, ZZZZ closes at 20 5/8. My puts expire. Up 6 5/8.

Aug 25, HI 20 13/16 LO 19 3/4, I sell the Sep 20 puts for 1 1/8.

Aug 30, HI 18 3/16 LO 17 1/8, I sell the Oct 20 puts for 2 9/16.
(Hey, it worked before!)

Sep 17, ZZZZ closes at 20 13/16. My Sep puts expire. Up 7 3/4.

Sep 27, HI 19 1/2 LO 18 1/4, I sell the Nov 20 puts for 2 1/2.

Oct 18, ZZZZ closes at 17 9/16. Put at 20, keeping Oct. Up 10 1/4.

Oct 22, HI 21 3/16, LO 19 1/16, I sell the Nov 20 CALL for 1 3/8

Oct 29, HI 22 7/16 LO 21, I cover the DEC 17 1/2 puts for 1/4. UP 11.
(Actually more since this trade was larger than my typical lot size).

Nov 2, HI 23 LO 21 7/8, I cover the NOV 20 puts for 1/8. UP 13 3/8

Nov 20, ZZZZ closes at 27 7/16. Called at 20, keeping Nov. UP 14 3/4

Dec 9, HI 24 11/16 LO 20 3/4, ZZZZ gives a clear buy signal,
I buy the Mar 15 calls for 7 3/4. Thus switching strategy from systematic writing to call buying for ZZZZ, for the time being.

Dec 13, ZZZZ closes at 24 15/16. My calls are Bid 10, I still hold them.