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To: Kirk © who wrote (10041)	7/2/2020 4:44:03 PM
From: Winfastorlose	1 Recommendation Recommended By the longhorn Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 26838

TSLA has all kinds of problems, but it is obvious that it is being supported by forces far stronger than logic and even the general investment community. I have been long TSLA many times on the way up. I just wish I believed Musk's BS more and I could have made even more money on it than I did. Even today I was long for a brief period. It is my largest money maker this year and I have never gone home anything but flat on it at the end of each day. The latest information floating around is that TSLA is only taking roughly half of the money it should take for warranty reserves which has overstated profits by as much as 148 million dollars. Without this sleight of hand, it would never have turned even a small profit. Everyone turns a blind eye to the shenanigans, however, so it is what it is. One day the chickens will likely come home to roost on it, but for now, it is the AMZN of the 2019 to 2020 market. The truth is AMZN lost money for 20 years, but no one cared. That seems to be the idea with TSLA as well.

To: Kirk © who wrote (10041)

7/2/2020 5:46:47 PM

From: John Koligman

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I had posted here not long ago that TSLA was on track to pass Toyota as the most valuable automaker, and it has now done so in spectacular fashion. In fact it's worth more than oil supermajors like XOM and CVX. There have been plenty talking about shorting it over the years, I remember Chanos of Kynikos Associates doing so, but he's been quiet lately<ggg>. As others have mentioned, the stock does remind me of Amazon, all we heard from 2000-2010 was 'the PE is astronomical/it's burning cash/etc'. Looking back it could have been bought at 7 bucks a share in 2001. TSLA's rise is even more spectacular in a shorter period of time.

To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (201226)	6/30/2020 1:00:58 PM
From: John Koligman	Read Replies (1) of 201236

Well, it's gone from 17 to north of a thousand bucks a share in a decade, and the market cap is now higher than both XOM AND CVX... It's worth over twice what BP is... TSLA - 199B XOM - 185B CVX - 164B Tesla stock is up more than 4000% since its debut 10 years ago PUBLISHED MON, JUN 29 20207:41 PM EDTUPDATED MON, JUN 29 20208:28 PM EDT Lora Kolodny @LORAKOLODNY Tesla shares have outperformed other major tech and auto stocks since it went public exactly 10 years ago.The stock has had plenty of ups and downs along the way, including a big drop after CEO Elon Musk tweeted that he had “funding secured” to take the company private.But shares have rallied this year since the company’s new factory in China came online. WATCH NOW VIDEO01:27 Watch a timeline of Tesla’s biggest milestones from the past 10 years Tesla went public ten years ago today, pricing shares at $17, higher than its expected range of $14 to $16. The company raised around $226 million in its IPO, with shares surging that day by around 41% to close at $23.89. Today, shares in the electric vehicle maker closed at $1,009.35, meaning Tesla’s stock has risen by 4,125 % since the close of its first day as a public company. That stock performance puts Tesla in rarified air, alongside Netflix, which was the top-performing stock on the S&P 500 during the 2010s. (Netflix rose 4,181% between Jan. 2010 and Dec. 2019. But Netflix shares more than doubled in price between Jan. 2010 and June 2010, when Tesla went public. That means Netflix has “only” gained 2,657% in value since Tesla’s debut.) It also means Tesla stock has outperformed other big tech names like Amazon and Apple, as well as all the major automakers. The stock has had plenty of ups and downs along the way, including a 30% drop in the month after Aug. 7, 2018, when a CEO Elon Musk tweeted that he had “funding secured” to take the company private. The SEC accused Musk of misleading the public, as he allegedly knew the funding was contingent, and both Musk individually and Tesla as a company paid $20 million fines to settle the suit. But shares have been on a rally since early 2020, as Tesla got its factory in Shanghai up and running and began manufacturing the Model Y at its original U.S. car plant in Fremont, California. Investors also bought into the company’s promises to deliver an electric semi truck called the Semi, electric pickup truck known as the Cybertruck and improvements in self-driving technology. Despite the Covid-19 epidemic, which shut down production in its California factory for several weeks, shares are up more than 140% this year. Since going public, Tesla has never achieved a full year of profitability. The company has reported seven quarters with net income greater than zero, since its IPO -- the first was Q1 of 2013. It has now reported three consecutive quarters of GAAP profit, with some accounting adjustments along the way, and is scheduled to report Q2 earnings next month. Tesla is now gunning for inclusion in the S&P 500, which requires a minimum of four consecutive quarters of profitability, among other things.